Red Mosquito

BurtReynolds wrote:mine

Are you the riddler?

Kaius wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:mine

Are you the riddler?

wat

cutuphalfdead wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Kaius wrote:I got this for about $350 a couple years ago. Mine has a slightly darker finish.

Now i picture you as mel gibson in Payback

Would Payback run away?

BurtReynolds wrote:

Kaius wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:mine

Are you the riddler?

wat

it was a corny joke referencing the tiny question mark I see in place of what I assume is a picture of your piece.

Kaius wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Kaius wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:mine

Are you the riddler?

wat

it was a corny joke referencing the tiny question mark I see in place of what I assume is a picture of your piece.

oh i fixed the link.

the fuck is wrong with all of you?

I'm not sure what you mean, malice.

BurtReynolds wrote:

Kaius wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Kaius wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:mine

Are you the riddler?

wat

it was a corny joke referencing the tiny question mark I see in place of what I assume is a picture of your piece.

oh i fixed the link.

Look, this just isn't working out for me.

when did everyone get all hyped on gun ownership.

you couldn't pay me to own a gun, and i'm jobless...
does everyone think owning a gun is going to be beneficial in a break-in at your houses or what? because i'm pretty sure most of the time having a gun available leads to death, and usually of the wrong people, but even so, do you guys really like the idea of killing other people, even ones that want to rob you?
I already know all the arguments : better to kill someone than be killed, raped whatevs. but really, i couldn't live with myself knowing i'd caused the death of another human, even a despicable human.

I don't know, it's not my business, but i think you're all nuts. sorry. carry on.

Obviously we can't know how we would react to taking someones life, but I like to think I would have no problem killing someone who tried to kill me or one of my family members.

i think i'd go insane after doing it. (more insane)

I'm from the deep south. Owning a firearm is a legal requirement for anyone over the age of 3. Don't blame me, blame my culture. Despite being from an area where roughly 99% of households own weapons (this is not an exaggeration) and are in a constant state of drunkenness (this is a slight exaggeration), no one gets shot. Except that one guy who shot himself in the stomach with a nail gun, but he probably deserved it.

i think i'd go insane after doing it. (more insane)

Really? huh. Personally, I wouldn't feel the slightest bit bad about killing someone that tried to rape or kill a loved one. Different strokes I guess.

malice wrote:when did everyone get all hyped on gun ownership.

you couldn't pay me to own a gun, and i'm jobless...
does everyone think owning a gun is going to be beneficial in a break-in at your houses or what? because i'm pretty sure most of the time having a gun available leads to death, and usually of the wrong people, but even so, do you guys really like the idea of killing other people, even ones that want to rob you?
I already know all the arguments : better to kill someone than be killed, raped whatevs. but really, i couldn't live with myself knowing i'd caused the death of another human, even a despicable human.

I don't know, it's not my business, but i think you're all nuts. sorry. carry on.

I'm by no means a card-carrying bumper-sticker-toting NRA lifer, but I like to think that little hand cannon would even the playing field if my family/household were ever victimized by someone with ill intent.

I don't live in a bad neighborhood, but crime isn't limited to a specific area, and anything could happen, so there you have it.

It's an accurate, reliable piece of personal protection when used properly. I don't see anything at all wrong with that.

The argument that: I, the hypothetical victim of a break-in, because I own a gun, will somehow make the situation more dangerous for myself or my family, is ridiculous.

And no, I'm not worried about the life of said potential criminal. Would killing someone else, robber, rapist, etc. or not, affect me psychologically? Maybe, I don't know and I hope I never have to. But you said it yourself: at least I wouldn't have to live with the something happening to my wife or two daughters. Just the thought of it makes my heart thump a little harder, and I realize that yes, I could and would have no problem ending their life if that is what it takes.

tommymtcom wrote:Obviously we can't know how we would react to taking someones life, but I like to think I would have no problem killing someone who tried to kill me or one of my family members.

Do terrorists count?

Moronic ignorant blowhard

at least one of those tweets is correct

This hits squarely on my pet peeve within the gun movement--that putting more guns in the hands of the "good guys" will somehow make us all safer. Anyone have a rebuttal?

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_an ... ingle.html

The Myth of the Good Guy With a Gun
The NRA is wrong: Owning a gun is far more likely to harm you than protect you.

By Evan DeFilippis and Devin Hughes

Wayne LaPierre of the National Rifle Association issued a passionate call to arms last year, painting a bleak picture of a dystopian America on the brink of collapse:

Wayne LaPierre wrote:We know, in the world that surrounds us, there are terrorists and home invaders and drug cartels and car-jackers and knock-out gamers and rapers, haters, campus killers, airport killers, shopping-mall killers, road-rage killers, and killers who scheme to destroy our country with massive storms of violence against our power grids, or vicious waves of chemicals or disease that could collapse the society that sustains us all.

LaPierre’s central message: Owning a gun is the solution. The world is a scary place. There are bad guys everywhere threatening you and your family, and the only thing they’re afraid of is a gun in your hands.

Tragically, a record number of Americans subscribe to some version of this mythology, with 63 percent (67 percent of men polled and 58 percent of women) believing that guns truly do make them safer. The public’s confidence in firearms, however, is woefully misguided: The evidence overwhelmingly shows that guns leave everybody less safe, including their owners.

A study from October 2013 analyzed data from 27 developed nations to examine the impact of firearm prevalence on the mortality rate. It found an extremely strong direct relationship between the number of firearms and firearm deaths. The paper concludes: “The current study debunks the widely quoted hypothesis that guns make a nation safer.” This finding is bolstered by several previous studies that have revealed a significant link between gun ownership and firearm-related deaths. This international comparison is especially harrowing for women and children, who die from gun violence in America at far higher rates than in other countries.

Gun advocates often retreat to an “it could never happen to me” mentality.

Behind such horrifying statistics are numerous heartbreaking tragedies, such as Zina Daniel, a woman from Illinois who was killed by her abusive ex-husband, or Caroline Sparks, who was only 2 when her 5-year-old brother accidently killed her with his Crickett rifle.

If we examine data from within the United States, the odds aren’t any better for gun owners. The most recent study examining the relationship between firearms and homicide rates on a state level, published last April, found a significant positive relationship between gun ownership and overall homicide levels. Using data from 1981–2010 and the best firearm ownership proxy to date, the study found that for every 1 percent increase in gun ownership, there was a 1.1 percent increase in the firearm homicide rate and a 0.7 percent increase in the total homicide rate. This was after controlling for factors such as poverty, unemployment, income inequality, alcohol consumption, and nonhomicide violent crime. Further, the firearm ownership rate had no statistically significant impact on nonfirearm homicides, meaning there was no detectable substitution effect. That is, in the absence of guns, would-be criminals are not switching to knives or some other weapons to carry out homicide. These results are supported by a host of previous studies that illustrate that guns increase the rate of homicides.

The evidence against firearm ownership becomes even stronger when suicides and accidents are included in the analysis—guns make both much more likely and more fatal. There can be nothing closer to a consensus in the gun debate than this point. Indeed, every single case-control study ever conducted in the United States has found that gun ownership is a strong risk factor for suicide, even after adjusting for aggregate-level measures of suicidality such as mental illness, alcoholism, poverty, and so on.

One might accept that firearms are dangerous and that they substantially elevate the risk of homicide, suicide, and fatal accidents, but still believe that policies regulating gun ownership are ineffective—criminals, after all, won’t follow them. However, another recent study from May of 2013 analyzed the impact of state firearm laws on firearm-related fatalities. It found that the most gun-restrictive states have significantly fewer firearm fatalities than the states with the least restrictive laws. The results are in line with previous academic studies tackling the same question.

These findings are further supported by a case study examining the impact of a 2007 Missouri decision to repeal its permit-to-purchase handgun licensing law. The research concluded that the repeal was associated with a 16 percent increase in annual murder rates, indicating that state gun control laws have a significant impact on the homicide rate.

Suppose a criminal has just broken into your house brandishing a firearm. You need to protect yourself and your family. Wouldn’t anyone feel safer owning a gun? This is the kind of narrative propagated by gun advocates in defense of firearm ownership. It preys on our fear. Yet, the annual per capita risk of death during a home invasion is 0.0000002, which, for all intents and purposes, is zero.

Despite the astronomical odds against being killed, this fear of home invasion often drives people like Becca Campbell of Ferguson, Missouri, to gun ownership. This past November, Campbell was riding home in a car with her boyfriend after purchasing a gun, preparing for the unrest expected to follow the grand jury decision about whether to pursue criminal charges against the policeman who killed Michael Brown. She joked that “we’re ready for Ferguson,” waving the gun. Distracted, the boyfriend ran into the car ahead of them, and the gun fired, killing Campbell.

Moving from state-level analysis to the household or individual, the risks for gun owners become even more apparent. A recent meta-analysis of 16 studies examined the relationship between firearms and gun deaths. Gun ownership doubled the risk of homicide and tripled the risk of suicide. This research is bolstered by a national survey that found that a gun in the home was far more likely to be used to threaten a family member or intimate partner than to be used in self-defense.

Gun advocates may counter that this doesn’t reveal the entire picture. After all, case studies of these fatal gun incidents can’t capture the benefits that widespread defensive gun use bestows on society. However, despite the NRA’s mantra that there are millions of defensive gun uses every year, empirical data reveals that DGUs are actually extremely rare. Criminal uses of firearms far outnumber legal defensive uses. The evidence shows that there may be fewer than even 3,000 DGUs annually. In comparison, there are 30,000 gun deaths annually, and many more injuries and shattered lives. The costs of gun ownership unequivocally outweigh the benefits.

In light of the overwhelming evidence that guns are a public health threat, gun advocates often retreat to an “it could never happen to me” mentality. This worldview is tragically mistaken. Consider the case of Veronica Dunnachie. She was, by many gun advocates’ definition, a good gal with a gun. A strident voice for gun rights, she was an open carry advocate, dedicated to expanding the unlicensed open carrying of firearms. In Texas, open carry is currently restricted to long guns; she pushed to include handguns. She frequently attended rallies and protests organized by Open Carry Tarrant County (an offshoot of Open Carry Texas). In a domestic dispute on Dec. 10, she allegedly shot and killed her husband and stepdaughter. Horrified, Dunnachie called a friend, telling him she “had just done something bad” and, at his urging, checked herself into a nearby mental health clinic.

Everyone likes to pretend that he or she is more rational, more responsible, and more immune to the risks that gun ownership poses relative to the average American. Yet, we know from gun violence statistics that many are simply misjudging their own competency. Everyone thinks he or she is above average, but half are mistaken.

Rather than gangbangers and maniacal criminals going on killing sprees, it is cases like Dunnachie’s that drive gun violence. FBI data reveal that about twice as many homicides result from arguments than from felonies, and gang violence is only a small contributor. In a careful study of the relationships between homicide victims and perpetrators, analyzing data from 1981–2010, Michael Siegel and his colleagues reveal that for every 1 percent increase in gun ownership, there is a 0.9 percent increase in nonstranger homicide. Although stranger homicide does increase slightly as gun ownership rises, the increase is not statistically significant. This indicates that there is no deterrence effect from firearm ownership and that a firearm significantly increases the owner’s chances of killing or being killed by somebody he or she knows.

Gun advocates may argue that this reality is a consequence of the fact that there are too few guns; perhaps nonstranger homicides would be lower if everyone you knew were packing heat. Yet a study examining data from the National Crime Victimization Survey found that people who used any weapon other than a gun for defense were less likely to be harmed than those who used a firearm.

So before you purchase a gun for self-defense, please pause to reflect. Your weapon is much more likely to end up being used to harm than for good, even if you’re one of the “good guys.” The odds are not in your favor.

I really like the Ke-tec RDB. a bullpup that is lefty friendly. the bolt carrier group has a long smooth travel to allow the downward ejection on the buttstock.