RETIRED - The all inclusive video game thread

[Mecca]

High art or low art be damned.

Games are creative from the Uncharteds of the world down to the movie tie in games. It's just interactive art.

[BurtReynolds]

I think it goes beyond games that are essentially interactive movies like Last of Us. Is Tetris art? Minecraft? Civilisation?

Probably.

[Mecca]

I think it goes beyond games that are essentially interactive movies like Last of Us. Is Tetris art? Minecraft? Civilisation?

Probably.

Without a doubt.

[Mecca]

But I don't get awards shows, bro

[Orpheus]

Team LV on this one. Games are definitely art. Furthermore, I think they've become a pretty interesting ideological and philosophical battleground.

[Monkey_Driven]

The Last of Us is not high art. It's art, but it's bad art.

I don't think I could disagree more with this statement.

[jwfocker]

The Last of Us is not high art. It's art, but it's bad art.

I don't think I could disagree more with this statement.

Same. It's a once in a decade type of game like Zelda on the N64. The Last of Us is one the best games I've every played.

[LoathedVermin72]

gross

[ABNorman]

Spoiler: show

That giraffe scene was sthuper.

[tragabigzanda]

Spoiler: show

That giraffe scene was sthuper.

[Mecca]

gross

I would've assumed that you could differentiate between "I don't like it" not necessarily meaning something is "bad art" and yet here we are

[LoathedVermin72]

gross

I would've assumed that you could differentiate between "I don't like it" not necessarily meaning something is "bad art" and yet here we are

The only reason I would dislike something is because it is bad

[tragabigzanda]

Star Wars Battlefront is on sale today for $20 a Best Buy:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/star-wars-b ... /4205033.p

[jwfocker]

Star Wars Battlefront is on sale today for $20 a Best Buy:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/star-wars-b ... /4205033.p

I'm looking for high art though.

[tragabigzanda]

Star Wars Battlefront is on sale today for $20 a Best Buy:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/star-wars-b ... /4205033.p

I'm looking for high art though.

[Mecca]

gross

I would've assumed that you could differentiate between "I don't like it" not necessarily meaning something is "bad art" and yet here we are

The only reason I would dislike something is because it is bad

this is about to devolve into a "well that's just like your opinion" conversation and I refuse to go down that path again. "It's bad" has a whole different connotation than just saying "I don't like it" especially when talking about a game that a lot of people really enjoy. Personally, Last of Us isn't for me, but I'd never call it bad art.

[LoathedVermin72]

gross

I would've assumed that you could differentiate between "I don't like it" not necessarily meaning something is "bad art" and yet here we are

The only reason I would dislike something is because it is bad

this is about to devolve into a "well that's just like your opinion" conversation and I refuse to go down that path again. "It's bad" has a whole different connotation than just saying "I don't like it" especially when talking about a game that a lot of people really enjoy. Personally, Last of Us isn't for me, but I'd never call it bad art.

I fundamentally disagree. I know I and others have been over this a hundred times already. This essentially boils down to objectivity (not real) versus subjectivity. Whether or not other people enjoy something has no bearing on whether it's any good.

[Mecca]

gross

I would've assumed that you could differentiate between "I don't like it" not necessarily meaning something is "bad art" and yet here we are

The only reason I would dislike something is because it is bad

this is about to devolve into a "well that's just like your opinion" conversation and I refuse to go down that path again. "It's bad" has a whole different connotation than just saying "I don't like it" especially when talking about a game that a lot of people really enjoy. Personally, Last of Us isn't for me, but I'd never call it bad art.

I fundamentally disagree. I know I and others have been over this a hundred times already. This essentially boils down to objectivity (not real) versus subjectivity. Whether or not other people enjoy something has no bearing on whether it's any good.

"I don't like bad things. I don't like this, therefore it is bad" is kind of an insular way to view anything up to and including art. Its like you're refusing to accept another perspective to just label this game bad art. I don't care if you like the game or not, I just don't understand how you jump to "bad" as opposed to "not for me." It's not like it's some shitty movie tie in transformers game

[LoathedVermin72]

gross

I would've assumed that you could differentiate between "I don't like it" not necessarily meaning something is "bad art" and yet here we are

The only reason I would dislike something is because it is bad

this is about to devolve into a "well that's just like your opinion" conversation and I refuse to go down that path again. "It's bad" has a whole different connotation than just saying "I don't like it" especially when talking about a game that a lot of people really enjoy. Personally, Last of Us isn't for me, but I'd never call it bad art.

I fundamentally disagree. I know I and others have been over this a hundred times already. This essentially boils down to objectivity (not real) versus subjectivity. Whether or not other people enjoy something has no bearing on whether it's any good.

"I don't like bad things. I don't like this, therefore it is bad" is kind of an insular way to view anything up to and including art. Its like you're refusing to accept another perspective to just label this game bad art. I don't care if you like the game or not, I just don't understand how you jump to "bad" as opposed to "not for me." It's not like it's some shitty movie tie in transformers game

It's not "it's bad because I don't like it," it's "it's bad because of this, that, and this, and therefore I don't like it." You are still approaching this as if there can be some kind of objective "good" removed from one's subjective reactions, which is a fallacy.

[tragabigzanda]

Nonsense. Architecture can totally be judged on its objectives -- Does it allow for various activities to be conducted safely and efficiently within the building? Does it conform to building and zoning codes? Does it allow for good natural light and a healthy sense of space when filled to capacity? The aesthetic qualities, like "Do I like the pitch of that roof," obviously can't be judged objectively.