Red Mosquito

Anders wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Anders wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Anders wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Speaking of VPs, has Warren endorsed Bernie yet? Or is she going to admit she's a total fraud who doesn't believe any of the shit she's been saying for the last year?

She should support whoever wins, and it will be Biden.

We don't have a winner yet. Why do you think she's avoided endorsing the guy who basically matches her entire platform that she holds so dear?

If she backs the loser with no future, it won’t help anyone. She needs to back the winner and help beat Trump.

Don’t think she will be the vp though.

I'm sure that's how they'll spin it, but in that case why don't she just endorse Biden now?

Tactical reasons. She wants to be the big shot that endorse him last, after Bernie is out. She might also want something in return.

Oh there are tactical reasons for it alright.

Chris_H_2 wrote:hey guys, i had to walk away from my computer for a couple of hours. what did i miss?

bune wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:hey guys, i had to walk away from my computer for a couple of hours. what did i miss?

Oh, so that’s real socialism

BurtReynolds wrote:

Anders wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Anders wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Anders wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Speaking of VPs, has Warren endorsed Bernie yet? Or is she going to admit she's a total fraud who doesn't believe any of the shit she's been saying for the last year?

She should support whoever wins, and it will be Biden.

We don't have a winner yet. Why do you think she's avoided endorsing the guy who basically matches her entire platform that she holds so dear?

If she backs the loser with no future, it won’t help anyone. She needs to back the winner and help beat Trump.

Don’t think she will be the vp though.

I'm sure that's how they'll spin it, but in that case why don't she just endorse Biden now?

Tactical reasons. She wants to be the big shot that endorse him last, after Bernie is out. She might also want something in return.

Oh there are tactical reasons for it alright.

I’m glad we agree. Smart choice by Warren.

Warren severely underperformed. Not as bad as Bloomy, but still. I don't think she's as key of a player as she thinks she is.

BurtReynolds wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:has obama endorsed anyone yet?

Do ex presidents usually get involved? I can't remember.

Oh Obama has been involved behind the scenes for a long time now.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/17/politics ... index.html

I thought I had grown out of the puerile humor phase but apparently not because I just laughed at that.

We could always use more boomerposting to lighten things up.

BurtReynolds wrote:We could always use more boomerposting to lighten things up.

Whenever you're ready

but seriously, how do you be Jeff Sessions right now?

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Believe it or not I wouldn’t necessarily say I’m a socialist. I’m a leftist. I’m anti-ruling class.

I get it.

I'm from a country that was torn to shit by a violent socialist insurgency which led to decades of war, death, and rape. I have friends and family members from neighboring countries who have been personally and directly affected by deeply corrupt socialist regimes, even driven out of their homes for being labeled political opponents. I think there are many socialist policies that are common sense and would help the populace as a whole, but I don't think socialism is beyond reproach (I've openly criticized Latin American socialism here many times). When the argument that the "Nazis were socialists" comes up, it's almost always a disingenuous bad-faith response to progressive, pro-worker policies that would materially improve many people's lives, and I feel compelled to speak up. But I don't think I would call myself a socialist either, not on those broad terms. And I also don't think a Bernie Sanders win would result in the US becoming a socialist country

Biden is a center/center-right moderate who will likely get his ass kicked by Trump; but the things he doesn't care about, Trump cares about even less. This is not about personality. Out of the two, he's easily the clear option. But it's very disappointing that it worked out that way, and I completely understand why people like LV feel disenfranchised and frustrated with this outcome.

correct: Bernie is not actually a socialist. he would get reined in by the moderate dems in the senate if elected and make tradeoff and ultimately move the needle left but still very much in the capitalist context

correct: Biden far preferred to Trump. President’s appoint the heads of agencies, as an example, Trump has gutted the EPA. If you care about the environment, you want Biden

as far as Biden’s VP / Warren-

i think the numbers showed that Warren’s appeal nationally was actually very little

and now she’s got some baggage and may be viewed as damaged goods at this point by many on the left (bc she didnt endorse Bernie)

i think if Biden wants a progressive-appealing VP then he can find a less divisive one elsewhere

96583UP wrote: If you care about the environment, you want Biden

Popular misconception

we’re talking about choosing the less-bad option

not choosing between a bad option and the perfect saviour option

one is rated a 3/10

the other is rated a 5/10

choose the 5

The environment issue is a prime example of change that can't be achieved gradually or by voting for the lesser evil...The Paris Accords is a prime example of liberals voting for something that makes them feel good over concrete results...

Etcetera etcetera...


Vote for Trump. Accelerate the process. Derail the machine.

96583UP wrote:we’re talking about choosing the less-bad option

not choosing between a bad option and the perfect saviour option

one is rated a 3/10

the other is rated a 5/10

choose the 5

If neither is effective, what's the point? To fail slower?

BurtReynolds wrote:

96583UP wrote:we’re talking about choosing the less-bad option

not choosing between a bad option and the perfect saviour option

one is rated a 3/10

the other is rated a 5/10

choose the 5

If neither is effective, what's the point? To fail slower?

yes

one guy will openly allow dumping of certain harsh chemicals into the water supply

one might make it illegal so less end up getting dumped in