In MN, 99.5% of those that have died (which has also been a relatively small total number) have been elderly people living in assisted living or people with significant other factors (such as cancer). Only 0.05% have been relatively healthy people with no other major factors.
By the way, I was at a neighborhood gathering this evening. And not one person wore a mask! It was marvelous. And I bet none of us die from it! Muhahahaha
It's true the elderly account for most deaths, but it's not 99%. The youngest yesterday in MN was 30.
The Minnesota Department of Health is now providing more accurate age ranges for confirmed cases. Ages 70 or above make up 22 percent of the state's confirmed cases and 83 percent of the deaths.
Minnesota's youngest COVID-19 patient is a 4-week-old infant. The oldest is 109 years old. The median age of the Minnesotans who have died from COVID-19 is 83. The age range for the state's deaths is 30 to 109 years old.
At least 28 percent of Minnesota's COVID-19 cases are in congregate care facilities, such as nursing homes, assisted living facilites and group homes. Officials have now begun identifying congregate living facilities that have seen COVID-19 cases.
79 of Minnesota's 87 counties now have confirmed cases of COVID-19, with eight counties reporting more than 100 cases. Health officials say the virus is likely circulating in every Minnesota community, whether a county has a confirmed case or not.
PHATJ wrote:By the way, I was at a neighborhood gathering this evening. And not one person wore a mask! It was marvelous. And I bet none of us die from it! Muhahahaha
Can't you get behind the mask thing somehow? I bet MLB are making Twins masks.
It's true the elderly account for most deaths, but it's not 99%. The youngest yesterday in MN was 30.
The Minnesota Department of Health is now providing more accurate age ranges for confirmed cases. Ages 70 or above make up 22 percent of the state's confirmed cases and 83 percent of the deaths.
Minnesota's youngest COVID-19 patient is a 4-week-old infant. The oldest is 109 years old. The median age of the Minnesotans who have died from COVID-19 is 83. The age range for the state's deaths is 30 to 109 years old.
At least 28 percent of Minnesota's COVID-19 cases are in congregate care facilities, such as nursing homes, assisted living facilites and group homes. Officials have now begun identifying congregate living facilities that have seen COVID-19 cases.
79 of Minnesota's 87 counties now have confirmed cases of COVID-19, with eight counties reporting more than 100 cases. Health officials say the virus is likely circulating in every Minnesota community, whether a county has a confirmed case or not.
These are a bit different than I got from a local news site yesterday, but still basically make the same point.
“The median age of the Minnesotans who have died from COVID-19 is 83.”
Guaranteed the vast majority of these also had underlying cases that contributed to their death. COVID-19 isn’t the ONLY reason. And people at 83 years old die at a higher rate and from less severe things than young and relatively healthy people do. Duh.
I still think it’s crazy that entire states/countries are shutting everything down because a relatively tiny percentage of people die from this virus.
What's are your thoughts on how to move forward? Seems to me if you open things back up completely people will not be responsible enough to make that work. For example, if you are in a public space indoors and unable to social distance (either indoors or outdoors) you have to wear a mask. This being ingrained in society is a big reason why Asian nation's are way better at this than us.
PHATJ wrote:By the way, I was at a neighborhood gathering this evening. And not one person wore a mask! It was marvelous. And I bet none of us die from it! Muhahahaha
Can't you get behind the mask thing somehow? I bet MLB are making Twins masks.
I haven’t put one on yet. Neither have my parents, or my kids, or our extended family, or my friends. The only friend I have that has worn a mask regularly is a police detective in downtown St. Paul. He has to. And interestingly enough, none of us have been even a little bit sick. Actually, I do have a buddy whose wife got COVID. She ended up spending two weeks in their room while he slept in the guest room. They ate meals together but other than that mostly kept their distance from each other. She recovered and feels back to normal, and he never got sick. That’s the closest this has come to anyone in my extended group.
So your friend probably got it from his wife, was asymptomatic, and shed the virus to X number of other people then? The reproduction rate needs to be under 1. This is an example of how not to accomplish that.
verb_to_trust wrote:What's are your thoughts on how to move forward? Seems to me if you open things back up completely people will not be responsible enough to make that work. For example, if you are in a public space indoors and unable to social distance (either indoors or outdoors) you have to wear a mask. This being ingrained in society is a big reason why Asian nation's are way better at this than us.
I mean, that literally hasn’t happened at all around here. If you go to Menards, or Home Depot, or Walmart around here, there are hundreds of people in those stores. Barely anyone is wearing masks. I mean, maybe 10% of people I see in public are wearing masks. And somehow MN has done relatively well keeping our numbers down. I don’t know what the best solutions are. I wish I did. But what is happening right now is all the big box stores are open and absolutely thriving while all the small businesses are ordered to remain closed and families are really struggling. It’s not right. That’s for sure.
verb_to_trust wrote:So your friend probably got it from his wife, was asymptomatic, and shed the virus to X number of other people then? The reproduction rate needs to be under 1. This is an example of how not to accomplish that.
My friend hasn’t left his house, and is still self quarantined. They have told all their family and friends that they will stay quarantined for two full weeks after she recovered. They have been completely responsible. And that’s how it should be.
verb_to_trust wrote:So your friend probably got it from his wife, was asymptomatic, and shed the virus to X number of other people then? The reproduction rate needs to be under 1. This is an example of how not to accomplish that.
My friend hasn’t left his house, and is still self quarantined. They have told all their family and friends that they will stay quarantined for two full weeks after she recovered. They have been completely responsible. And that’s how it should be.
I guess the point I was trying to make was that you have a very large percentage of asymptomatic carriers who end up shedding the virus. Unless people wear masks and distance that's going to be a huge problem.
verb_to_trust wrote:So your friend probably got it from his wife, was asymptomatic, and shed the virus to X number of other people then? The reproduction rate needs to be under 1. This is an example of how not to accomplish that.
My friend hasn’t left his house, and is still self quarantined. They have told all their family and friends that they will stay quarantined for two full weeks after she recovered. They have been completely responsible. And that’s how it should be.
I guess the point I was trying to make was that you have a very large percentage of asymptomatic carriers who end up shedding the virus. Unless people wear masks and distance that's going to be a huge problem.
I’ve also read studies that show the opposite. Carrying the virus and having your immune system create antibodies is also a way to slow the effects of the virus. Take a look at Sweden. They didn’t shut down. They didn’t close businesses or go into isolation, and they are statistically no worse off. Actually they are doing far better than some places that went to extremes to prevent spread. My point is, this is all a bit of guess work. Even the most educated scientists are still guessing to a degree. Obviously, trying to be safe and considerate to others is a good thing in any situation. This situation included. But anyone acting like they know all the data or have all the answers is ludicrous. And crippling millions and millions of families financially, and the mental toll that takes on families absolutely needs to be strongly considered. That isn’t being heartless, it’s being compassionate. It is possible (likely) that the number of people financially crushed by government overreach could far outnumber the number of people dying from its infections.
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