Red Mosquito

spike wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:

spike wrote:Rittenhouse is on the stand now.

Weird choice by the defense. Depending on state law, having him testify might be required for certain jury instructions regarding self defense.

I had the same thought.

I guess he broke down and a recess was called. Maybe it’s all an attempt to humanize him.

he seemed so distraught

How many times can a jury be sent out because of prosecutor behavior until a mistrial? This is trying to get a mistrial right? So they can start over?

Bi_3 wrote:How many times can a jury be sent out because of prosecutor behavior until a mistrial? This is trying to get a mistrial right? So they can start over?

Might be giving them too much credit. I'm not sure these people have ever tried a case.

spike wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:

spike wrote:Rittenhouse is on the stand now.

Weird choice by the defense. Depending on state law, having him testify might be required for certain jury instructions regarding self defense.

I had the same thought.

I guess he broke down and a recess was called. Maybe it’s all an attempt to humanize him.

The possible downside is pretty massive. Are they worried the jury hates him and this is a hail mary?

Jury nullification can swing both ways.

BurtReynolds wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:How many times can a jury be sent out because of prosecutor behavior until a mistrial? This is trying to get a mistrial right? So they can start over?

Might be giving them too much credit. I'm not sure these people have ever tried a case.

Edit: The gif is only because I am 100% sure that's what MSNBC will be going with tonight.

And I object, I OBJECT, that he interrupted me while I was watching Ow! My Balls! That is NOT okay!

Bi_3 wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:How many times can a jury be sent out because of prosecutor behavior until a mistrial? This is trying to get a mistrial right? So they can start over?

Might be giving them too much credit. I'm not sure these people have ever tried a case.

Edit: The gif is only because I am 100% sure that's what MSNBC will be going with tonight.

They want to recall the judge. Sigh.

Why is he crying in court?

Why is this even gone to trial??

dimejinky99 wrote:Why is he crying in court?

Why is this even gone to trial??

Can't allow a precedent of shooting looters.

Prosecution seems to have hit their stride since lunch.

tragabigzanda wrote:

Like clockwork

Why they put Kyle on the stand will be a question in law school for a decade

judge schroeder doesn't underatand the difference between enhancing and altering an image. is that what they're arguing now?

Apple! Artificial intelligence! LOGARITHMS! Pinch and zoom! Magnifying glass! Pixels!

This trial is lit.

This is basically where I’m at… …with the caveat that I don’t personally have any desire to see this person put in prison.

This is a 17-year old who was surrounded by positive adult feedback and encouragement about a very, very dumb idea he had (“I should go patrol an emotionally charged and potentially explosive protest in the dark! With a gun!”).

Like literally everybody else involved in this event, he was convinced that he was in the right and doing good. And I’ll say again: adults in his life and at the scene actively supported this perception. They, like him, were too stupid to contemplate whether a 17-year-old wandering the streets with a gun at night surrounded by eruptive political tension was safe for the 17 year old…or for anyone else. They, unlike him, didn’t have the excuse of being young enough to be that stupid. They just were. Heck, there are people in this forum so wrapped up in the political ideology of gun rights and protests that they can’t see that a child strutting around with a gun at night it’s just a dumb idea, period.

I would also argue with anybody who tries to say he hasn’t suffered for what happened. The whole world is watching footage of him bawl on the witness stand today. Everywhere he goes, for the rest of his life, he will always be “the guy who.” The famous Kyle Rittenhouse.

It’s always possible that he’ll end up falling upwards into conservative politics, but the fact remains that wherever he goes, for the rest of his life, the scope of acceptance and opportunity he faces will be shaped in part by something he did when he was 17. 35 year old Kyle Rittenhouse will still have strangers telling him he’s a killer, and I don’t doubt for a moment that he has spent (and will spend) many, many nights wishing like hell he had just stayed home.

McParadigm wrote:This is basically where I’m at…

…with the caveat that I don’t personally have any desire to see this person put in prison.

This is a 17-year old who was surrounded by positive adult feedback and encouragement about a very, very dumb idea he had (“I should go patrol an emotionally charged and potentially explosive protest in the dark! With a gun!”).

Like literally everybody else involved in this event, he was convinced that he was in the right and doing good. And I’ll say again: adults in his life and at the scene actively supported this perception. They, like him, were too stupid to contemplate whether a 17-year-old wandering the streets with a gun at night surrounded by eruptive political tension was safe for the 17 year old…or for anyone else. They, unlike him, didn’t have the excuse of being young enough to be that stupid. They just were. Heck, there are people in this forum so wrapped up in the political ideology of gun rights and protests that they can’t see that a child strutting around with a gun at night it’s just a dumb idea, period.

I would also argue with anybody who tries to say he hasn’t suffered for what happened. The whole world is watching footage of him bawl on the witness stand today. Everywhere he goes, for the rest of his life, he will always be “the guy who.” The famous Kyle Rittenhouse.

It’s always possible that he’ll end up falling upwards into conservative politics, but the fact remains that wherever he goes, for the rest of his life, the scope of acceptance and opportunity he faces will be shaped in part by something he did when he was 17. 35 year old Kyle Rittenhouse will still have strangers telling him he’s a killer, and I don’t doubt for a moment that he has spent (and will spend) many, many nights wishing like hell he had just stayed home.

Mostly agree... though I am still an unclear why he gets to claim self-defense. nutjob twitter suggests that the law says everything that happened prior to Kyle being chased doesn't matter (i.e. bringing the gun, walking into the crowds, etc.) but that seems like exactly what should matter. I dunno.