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Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Fri June 21, 2013 3:33 am
by Norah
Varis wrote:cutuphalfdead wrote:Rangi Guy wrote:super nintendo chalmers wrote:Exactly. It was the world series.
World series you say - how many countries were competing?
Don't even start this. The best baseball players in the world play in MLB, they come from countries across the world to compete in the league with the highest level of talent. There's no reason why the MLB champion series can't be called the World Series since you know, it's the best players in the world playing.
Cocain, coffee and 3 olympic gold medals...
Yes, Americans are ignorant of the rest of the world. My point remains valid.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Fri June 21, 2013 3:34 am
by Norah
Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:Varis wrote:
Not too many bands going around these days that would put up set lists like that over a 4 night stint. Hard to really complain about it with a straight face (the variety, not performance).
The funny thing is that the "rare" songs were awful performances anyway. They shouldn't have even bothered. Aside from "Parting Ways", I don't think any of the rare songs will be making anyone's mix tape anytime soon. The whole band sounds like they're brain damaged.
I witnessed the Philly performance of "Evacuation" and it was like watching a bunch of retards who were just learning how to play their instruments. And the audience couldn't tell the difference because they don't know how "Evacuation" goes anyway. That kind of says it all.
That Parting Ways was surprisingly good. The rest was piss poor though.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Fri June 21, 2013 3:45 am
by William Bloke
Oh, for sure. I just applaud the effort. Execution was not good though.
I think its an example of the band trying to do something very cool and awesome but not being willing to put the time in to actually practicing and getting shit right.
These days I'm very much in the "shorter sets, less variety, play the songs well" camp, but I don't see the band heading that way anytime soon. Too many festivals and stadium shows to play.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Fri June 21, 2013 3:52 am
by VinylGuy
stip wrote:cutuphalfdead wrote:mray10 wrote:]with the band trying to play everything they could
That was their stated goal, but they didn't actually try to do that. If they tried to do that they wouldn't have repeated so many songs over the four nights.
4 nights.
105 different songs.
29 repeats.
why even bother.
Once
Even Flowx2
Alivex2
Why Gox2
Blackx2
Jeremyx2
Porchx2
Garden
Deep
Go
Animal
Daughterx2
Glorifed G
Dissident
Blood
Rearview Mirrorx2
Rats
Small Townx2
Leash
Last Exit
STBC
Not For You
Tremor Chirst
Nothingman
Whippingx2
Corduroyx2
Bugs
Satan's bed
Bettermanx2
Immortality
Hail Hail
In My Tree
Smile
Off He Goes
Habit
Lukin
Present Tense
I'm open
Mankind
Faithful
No Way
Given to flyx2
Wishlist
Pilate
Do the Evolutionx3
MFC
IOn Hiding
Low Light
Push/Pull
All Those Yesterdays
Evacuation
Light Years
Nothing as it seems
Insignficnace
Grievance
Rival
Parting Ways
Save You
Cropduster
Ghost
I Am Mine
You Are
Green Disease
1/2 Full
Life Wasted
World Wide Suicide
Severed Hand
Parachutes
Unemployable
Gone
Wasted Reprise
Come Back
Inside Job
Gonna See My Friend
Got Somex2
The Fixerx4
Johnny Guitarx2
Just Breathex4
Amongst the Waves
Unthought Knownx3
Supersonic
Speed of Soundx2
Force of Nature
The Endx2
State of Love and Trust
Bee Girl
Love Reign
Rockin' in the Free Worldx2
All Night
Down
Last Kiss
The Real Me
Yellow Ledbetterx2
Untitled intro
Hold On
Breath
Crazy Mary
Footsteps
Sonic Reducer
Baba O Riely
I Got Shit
Outta My Mind
Whip It
Crown of Thorns
Sweet Lew
Thats impressive. And yeah, that outta my mind was great...whip it too..Hold on, parting ways, rival...ok, those shows were great.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Fri June 21, 2013 11:56 am
by warehouse
stip wrote:cutuphalfdead wrote:mray10 wrote:]with the band trying to play everything they could
That was their stated goal, but they didn't actually try to do that. If they tried to do that they wouldn't have repeated so many songs over the four nights.
4 nights.
105 different songs.
29 repeats.
why even bother.
Once
Even Flowx2
Alivex2
Why Gox2
Blackx2
Jeremyx2
Porchx2
Garden
Deep
Go
Animal
Daughterx2
Glorifed G
Dissident
Blood
Rearview Mirrorx2
Rats
Small Townx2
Leash
Last Exit
STBC
Not For You
Tremor Chirst
Nothingman
Whippingx2
Corduroyx2
Bugs
Satan's bed
Bettermanx2
Immortality
Hail Hail
In My Tree
Smile
Off He Goes
Habit
Lukin
Present Tense
I'm open
Mankind
Faithful
No Way
Given to flyx2
Wishlist
Pilate
Do the Evolutionx3
MFC
IOn Hiding
Low Light
Push/Pull
All Those Yesterdays
Evacuation
Light Years
Nothing as it seems
Insignficnace
Grievance
Rival
Parting Ways
Save You
Cropduster
Ghost
I Am Mine
You Are
Green Disease
1/2 Full
Life Wasted
World Wide Suicide
Severed Hand
Parachutes
Unemployable
Gone
Wasted Reprise
Come Back
Inside Job
Gonna See My Friend
Got Somex2
The Fixerx4
Johnny Guitarx2
Just Breathex4
Amongst the Waves
Unthought Knownx3
Supersonic
Speed of Soundx2
Force of Nature
The Endx2
State of Love and Trust
Bee Girl
Love Reign
Rockin' in the Free Worldx2
All Night
Down
Last Kiss
The Real Me
Yellow Ledbetterx2
Untitled intro
Hold On
Breath
Crazy Mary
Footsteps
Sonic Reducer
Baba O Riely
I Got Shit
Outta My Mind
Whip It
Crown of Thorns
Sweet Lew
good work stip. chud's just bitching to bitch i guess.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Fri June 21, 2013 1:32 pm
by stip
I've been slowly making my way through this show in the car. It's a good show. And then I got to DTE. What a fucking stampede that was. One of the best live versions of that I've heard.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Fri June 21, 2013 1:36 pm
by Strat
stip wrote:I've been slowly making my way through this show in the car. It's a good show. And then I got to DTE. What a fucking stampede that was. One of the best live versions of that I've heard.
yea I feel as though this shows supposed sloppiness is well exaggerated at this point. Yes - there are a few sloppy moments but overall there are some pretty fierce versions throughout the 4 night run.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Fri June 21, 2013 1:39 pm
by Kevin Davis
I think he was talking about the 98 show, Strat.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Fri June 21, 2013 1:41 pm
by broken iris
stip wrote:I've been slowly making my way through this show in the car. It's a good show. And then I got to DTE. What a fucking stampede that was. One of the best live versions of that I've heard.
Oh, yeah. DTE live in Sept. 1998 was amazing. The frenzy it whips the crowd into makes it the perfect song to walk off the stage after. Choosing that close the main set for a bunch of the shows is the north east in 1998 was a brilliant move and one piece of the 'PJ concert formula' I wish they would go back to.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Fri June 21, 2013 1:41 pm
by Strat
Well goddamnit. I'm just gonna go back to bed then
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Fri June 21, 2013 2:52 pm
by VinylGuy
They should play Act Of Love more often.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Fri June 21, 2013 3:26 pm
by stip
I feel like eddie spent the back half of the 90s trying to sound like Neil Young. I wish he didn't.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Fri June 21, 2013 3:58 pm
by digster
Probably his best vocal era to me, 98 to round 2000. He had the scream, but could do some really powerful, quieter work.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Fri June 21, 2013 4:03 pm
by evenslow
stip wrote:I feel like eddie spent the back half of the 90s trying to sound like Neil Young. I wish he didn't.
I've never thought of this before but there's definitely some truth to that statement. Nice catch.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Fri June 21, 2013 4:08 pm
by evenslow
Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:super nintendo chalmers wrote:
Exactly. It was the world series.
My point is: Who gives a shit? I went to see a concert, not to go to a fucking frat party. Not my peeps at all. It was like being trapped in the third circle of hell.
I think your definition of "frat" is exceedingly broad and/or way off base.
Sports are popular to a wide range of folks. Having your city in the World Series is a huge deal to a large percentage of citizens. There's nothing out of the ordinary with how Pearl Jam incorporated that into the show. They were having fun with it.
I can't believe I had to just type that like it was news.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Fri June 21, 2013 4:11 pm
by Strat
Wendy Carlos was definitely stuffed in a locker.
Scram, nerd.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Fri June 21, 2013 4:56 pm
by McParadigm
To be fair, both Pearl Jam and baseball cater primarily to white people over the age of 30. Demographically speaking, they were in the right spot.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Fri June 21, 2013 5:28 pm
by evenslow
Finally listend to the '98 show up until Daughter and I'll repeat the sentiment of most, which is that it's fantastic.
The interplay between the guitars and the subtle little licks really stand out here.
Also, I think it would be good for Ed to revisit the style/register he sings with on songs like Hail, Hail and Daughter. Would have loved him to sing like that throughout Riot Act - relatively low key but with some lift and pockets of power.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Fri June 21, 2013 7:24 pm
by VinylGuy
evenslow wrote:Finally listend to the '98 show up until Daughter and I'll repeat the sentiment of most, which is that it's fantastic.
The interplay between the guitars and the subtle little licks really stand out here.
Also, I think it would be good for Ed to revisit the style/register he sings with on songs like Hail, Hail and Daughter. Would have loved him to sing like that throughout Riot Act - relatively low key but with some lift and pockets of power.
Great post. He sure needed to do that in RA..i was listening to it recently and he seems to almost be speaking in some songs.
Re: Vault #3 - Constitution Hall, 9-19-1998 (vinyl, cd, digi
Posted: Fri June 21, 2013 8:59 pm
by spike
Varis wrote:cutuphalfdead wrote:Rangi Guy wrote:super nintendo chalmers wrote:Exactly. It was the world series.
World series you say - how many countries were competing?
Don't even start this. The best baseball players in the world play in MLB, they come from countries across the world to compete in the league with the highest level of talent. There's no reason why the MLB champion series can't be called the World Series since you know, it's the best players in the world playing.
Cocain, coffee and 3 olympic gold medals...
ireland
