Re: The Future of the GOP
Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 3:28 pm
FUCK ICE
What happened next?tragabigzanda wrote:At this point I’ve got infinitely more ire for the Dems for their total lack of vision, strength, and messaging. “Hope” worked really well in the early aughts, and they were able to attach a litany of platforms and program ideas to that core message.
Wrong thread, but I agree with this part and it is infuriating.tragabigzanda wrote:At this point I’ve got infinitely more ire for the Dems for their total lack of vision, strength, and messaging.
This part, I disagree with.“Hope” worked really well in the early aughts...It seems that their one-word message now would be “outrage.” That’s a much harder idea to rally around, since it actively repels roughly 50% of the population
I disagree that the only (or even primary) problem here is the leadership, but otherwise I think this is essentially correct, as is the rest of that excellent post.McParadigm wrote:The issue with Democrats is that they no longer have an "and then we" to add on to that. There's no follow-up, because they refuse to let go of an ancient leadership team who see themselves as "protecting the gains we made" rather than striving to do new things.
I had fun imagining the steam coming out of McP's ears as he typed this part.McParadigm wrote:Where Burt is consistently right
Nonsense. The democrats are now basically Joaquin Phoenix's character in Signs. They always strike out because they only swing for home runs. If you want proof of this look at the recent abortion bills vs Collins' bill. Or Romney's Family Security Act. Or Biden's sole major legislative accomplishment, the bi-partisan infrastructure bill. Progressives were literally crying because they even had to vote on it, despite it's widespread popularity and alignment with many of their goals. They are so reliant on ideological purity it caused them manifest physical pain to take a field goal to win. Like a spoiled child whining about getting a puppy and not a pony then blaming their stupid old parents (Joe and Kris) who just don't get it, #FML. It's bullshit and it's breaking everything.Mickey wrote:I disagree that the only (or even primary) problem here is the leadership, but otherwise I think this is essentially correct, as is the rest of that excellent post.McParadigm wrote:The issue with Democrats is that they no longer have an "and then we" to add on to that. There's no follow-up, because they refuse to let go of an ancient leadership team who see themselves as "protecting the gains we made" rather than striving to do new things.
Mickey wrote:Sorry, no, wrong direction.
Mickey wrote:Any serious accounting of the Democratic Party's lack of cohesive vision would have to go beyond the epiphenomenal experience of "outrage culture" or "purity tests" to grasp the real contradiction at the heart of the party.
So, they’re fully embracing the sinister, evil side now. Nothing named “dark” is ever benevolent. The dark ages. Dark web. Dark money. Dark chocolate. Dark side of the Force. Dark Lord of the Sith.