Red Mosquito

why is the Target deal not on here?

Was the Oracle gig full band or just Ed? If full band, that wins narrowly over the Ed lawsuit thing, as all members of Pearl Jam were complicit.

gatorade in the wine bottles probably deserves a few votes

I think the Oracle gig was the whole band.

While the Target thing was embarrassing at face value (specifically the commercial and Fixer video), I think it gets a pass bc I think the band felt it beneficial for independent record stores, whether that was true or not. So, kind of watching out for the little guys and themselves simultaneously?

that was an odd backlash since at its heart the deal was about selling their album
at fewer big box stores

dprival78 wrote:gatorade in the wine bottles probably deserves a few votes

I hate to tell you this, but actors don't smoke real cigarettes on screen either.

Yeah I can’t imagine running and jumping around, yelling for 2 hours, getting completely drenched in sweat, then thinking “I could really go for some red wine right now”

bodysnatcher wrote:I think the Oracle gig was the whole band.

While the Target thing was embarrassing at face value (specifically the commercial and Fixer video), I think it gets a pass bc I think the band felt it beneficial for independent record stores, whether that was true or not. So, kind of watching out for the little guys and themselves simultaneously?

also I went back to The Fixer video a while ago and it no longer had the Target tag on it... so, it was still funny (acting, canned audience and all), but much easier to stomach than as a Target ad

lol the audience was so hilarious in that

OK I voted for the Oracle gig but at the moment it's tied with Ed getting mad at a sick girl's family and I think that sounds right

bodysnatcher wrote:lol the audience was so hilarious in that

the funniest

Ed’s charity suing that little girl’s family IS YOUR WINNER!

Gotta say it speaks well of the band that only 20% of the things you could vote for were things the band actually did as a band.


edit: wait nevermind it's 60%. Most embarrassing thing from my Red Mosquito career.

counts his money every morning

The Target ad is fine. It's just a clip promoting their album. Who cares.

I think you have to be brainwashed by the early '90s ethos of bands selling out by doing anything promotional to be truly bothered by it. Thankfully, the newer generations don't care about that stupid stuff at all.

sweeper wrote:The Target ad is fine. It's just a clip promoting their album. Who cares.

I think you have to be brainwashed by the early '90s ethos of bands selling out by doing anything promotional to be truly bothered by it. Thankfully, the newer generations don't care about that stupid stuff at all.

That's not entirely true, it's also (even primarily) a clip promoting Target.

It's still pretty weird, I can't imagine any other credible band doing something like that.

Bad vibes all around.

Birds in Hell wrote:

sweeper wrote:The Target ad is fine. It's just a clip promoting their album. Who cares.

I think you have to be brainwashed by the early '90s ethos of bands selling out by doing anything promotional to be truly bothered by it. Thankfully, the newer generations don't care about that stupid stuff at all.

That's not entirely true, it's also (even primarily) a clip promoting Target.

It's still pretty weird, I can't imagine any other credible band doing something like that.

Bad vibes all around.

What do you mean it's primarily a clip promoting Target? The entire thing was within the context of promoting where their new album could be exclusively purchased. As far as I recall too, the only Target reference was in the 30 second commercial. There wasn't a Target component to the full-length video. I think people here are misremembering that piece. This was effectively a commercial that promoted their album and where to get it. Big whoop.

The "credible band" thing is a relic of the early 90s alternative ethos. It's completely out the window now because almost no one cares about it anymore outside of 40+ year old people that lived back in that era and were told it mattered. The whole concept of "selling out" is over.

sweeper wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

sweeper wrote:The Target ad is fine. It's just a clip promoting their album. Who cares.

I think you have to be brainwashed by the early '90s ethos of bands selling out by doing anything promotional to be truly bothered by it. Thankfully, the newer generations don't care about that stupid stuff at all.

That's not entirely true, it's also (even primarily) a clip promoting Target.

It's still pretty weird, I can't imagine any other credible band doing something like that.

Bad vibes all around.

What do you mean it's primarily a clip promoting Target? The entire thing was within the context of promoting where their new album could be exclusively purchased. As far as I recall too, the only Target reference was in the 30 second commercial. There wasn't a Target component to the full-length video. I think people here are misremembering that piece. This was effectively a commercial that promoted their album and where to get it. Big whoop.

The "credible band" thing is a relic of the early 90s alternative ethos. It's completely out the window now because almost no one cares about it anymore outside of 40+ year old people that lived back in that era and were told it mattered. The whole concept of "selling out" is over.

lmao imagine thinking it’s a good thing to live in a capitalist dystopia so devoid of shame that even artists who are already filthy rich have no qualms about participating in anti-art to shovel more money into the pockets of even richer scumbags

I don't have a lot of rules in life but one of them is if you're busting out "capitalist dystopia" within the context of selling music, you're probably just trying to sound smart.

Also, I don't think you actually know what capitalist dystopia means based off of that usage and context.

sweeper wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

sweeper wrote:The Target ad is fine. It's just a clip promoting their album. Who cares.

I think you have to be brainwashed by the early '90s ethos of bands selling out by doing anything promotional to be truly bothered by it. Thankfully, the newer generations don't care about that stupid stuff at all.

That's not entirely true, it's also (even primarily) a clip promoting Target.

It's still pretty weird, I can't imagine any other credible band doing something like that.

Bad vibes all around.

What do you mean it's primarily a clip promoting Target? The entire thing was within the context of promoting where their new album could be exclusively purchased. As far as I recall too, the only Target reference was in the 30 second commercial. There wasn't a Target component to the full-length video. I think people here are misremembering that piece. This was effectively a commercial that promoted their album and where to get it. Big whoop.

The "credible band" thing is a relic of the early 90s alternative ethos. It's completely out the window now because almost no one cares about it anymore outside of 40+ year old people that lived back in that era and were told it mattered. The whole concept of "selling out" is over.

A bit of sneaky goalpost shifting here. The conversation was about "the Target ad," referring to the 30 second ad where the band is playing in front of giant Target logos on green screen and fans getting Target logos stamped on their hands (which, yes, is extremely embarrassing) -- not the full music video.