Which bootleg are you listening to?
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Atlanta 4/3/94
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I took a long break from listening to any live PJ and just this week have pulled out a few shows I liked in anticipation of seeing them in Vancouver thi year.
Marseille, France 06
London, Ont. 05
LA, Night 3 09
Marseille, France 06
London, Ont. 05
LA, Night 3 09
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San Diego, 7/7/06
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The 06 is pretty awesome.Kevin Davis wrote:San Diego, 7/7/06Loving how high Matt's backing vocals are in the mix. How tight the band played on this tour never ceases to amaze me.
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Pittsburgh 10-11-2013 in HD. Great quality on these HD flacs and Ed's voice does sound beautiful on the more chill songs. I've only been listening to the 2013 shows on shitty PJradio in like 64kbps or whatever the fuck it is, so to hear a new show in full quality is great and the nice mix really comes through.
I really enjoy the slow burn starts to these shows... Pendulum>Of the Girl>Nothingman>Small Town
and only then do you get into LB, MYM, Animal, etc.
I really enjoy the slow burn starts to these shows... Pendulum>Of the Girl>Nothingman>Small Town
and only then do you get into LB, MYM, Animal, etc.
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Just finished Brooklyn 2 official bootleg. This was the only show I went to this tour and it's the first bootleg I purchased from the tour. I had an excellent time at the show and would put it in the top 5 shows I've been to. That being said, I was really excited about getting this. First let me say, it sounds amazing. A lot of people have commented on how good of a job Brett does with the mix. They're right, it sounds beautiful. Huge upgrade over the 2008 - 2010 boots.
The bootleg was a bit of an uneven listen though. I was really excited to hear Pendulum live. But on the bootleg it was missing something. It didn't have the excitement of an opening song at a Pearl Jam concert that you get from being there. And Matt's backing vocals during the "ah ah ah ah" part really detracted from the song. Wash and Nothingman were both excellent. I've only heard 3 recordings of Lightning Bolt live so far (Wrigley, Fallon, Brooklyn) and I've yet to hear one that I've really enjoyed. The extended outro is nice, but Ed struggles with singing it. MYM is the same, and those backing vocals from Matt are starting to get on my nerves. Last Exit, Hail,Hail, and In Hiding were all ok. Nothing really positive or negative to say about any of these versions. Down sounds really good. That was a song that surprised me at the show and it came across well on the boot. Sirens sounds flat and those backing vocals are really hurting this song too. Ed also has a hard time hitting the notes. He just doesn't sound good on this one. Another typical version of Even Flow. Band sounds really tight and Mike does his thing on the solo. Ed sounds very breathy. Infallible is another song I was looking forward to hearing live. This also sounds very flat. It sounds like the band is playing in an empty room. Ed's vocals seem to be echoing and bouncing. Did not get that impression at all at the show. There's those backing vocals again that do not help. Present Tense does a good job of bringing the crowd back into it. During parts of the song Ed's vocals still sound a bit off. While Rats isn't my favorite song, Ed sounds pretty good here compared to the Sirens through Infallible run. Unthought Known has a typical lyrical flub by Ed and one of the guitars (I'm guessing Ed's) sounds really bad here. Immortality is excellent. Ed sounds good and remembers all of the lyrics. Mike has a very good solo and the band really nails the ending. State of Love and Trust started out like a bomb going off. Mike and the band hold up their end throughout the song, but Ed has more lyric flubs and sounds defeated going into Mike's first solo, but recovers a little by the end. Once and Given to Fly both sound ok, I guess. Better Man with the extended tag / call and response is always nice. This one does not dissapoint and ends the first set on a high point. Footsteps and Yellow Moon are both solid. All Those Yesterdays sounds better on the boot than I remember it. Was a nice surprise. Boom sausage fingered the hell out of the intro to Future Days. I remember him looking annoyed when he was playing it. I can't even put into words how awful that intro sounded. Ed and the band sound good on Evolution, aside from the South America thing. Go is solid and then we're into an excellent version of Porch which ends the second set. Ed does a surprisingly good job on both Whipping and Blood. Leaving Here is a nice treat and sounds great. I think Jeff and Matt took all the solos. Black, Alive, and RITFW were all excellent and had some very extended solos. Yellow Ledbetter with the Star Spangled Banner closed the show on a nice high note.
Overall, this was an uneven listen. The slow start of the first 3 songs was nice. But the Lightning Bolt songs really did not come across well on the boot, and they were the ones I was most excited about hearing. There was a long stretch of songs through the first set that were pretty rough. By the end of the first set they started to get it together, and aside from a few mis-steps, both encores were pretty tight. Since I went to this show, I'm sure I'll listen to it a few more times. If I wasn't there, I doubt I'd give it another listen.
The bootleg was a bit of an uneven listen though. I was really excited to hear Pendulum live. But on the bootleg it was missing something. It didn't have the excitement of an opening song at a Pearl Jam concert that you get from being there. And Matt's backing vocals during the "ah ah ah ah" part really detracted from the song. Wash and Nothingman were both excellent. I've only heard 3 recordings of Lightning Bolt live so far (Wrigley, Fallon, Brooklyn) and I've yet to hear one that I've really enjoyed. The extended outro is nice, but Ed struggles with singing it. MYM is the same, and those backing vocals from Matt are starting to get on my nerves. Last Exit, Hail,Hail, and In Hiding were all ok. Nothing really positive or negative to say about any of these versions. Down sounds really good. That was a song that surprised me at the show and it came across well on the boot. Sirens sounds flat and those backing vocals are really hurting this song too. Ed also has a hard time hitting the notes. He just doesn't sound good on this one. Another typical version of Even Flow. Band sounds really tight and Mike does his thing on the solo. Ed sounds very breathy. Infallible is another song I was looking forward to hearing live. This also sounds very flat. It sounds like the band is playing in an empty room. Ed's vocals seem to be echoing and bouncing. Did not get that impression at all at the show. There's those backing vocals again that do not help. Present Tense does a good job of bringing the crowd back into it. During parts of the song Ed's vocals still sound a bit off. While Rats isn't my favorite song, Ed sounds pretty good here compared to the Sirens through Infallible run. Unthought Known has a typical lyrical flub by Ed and one of the guitars (I'm guessing Ed's) sounds really bad here. Immortality is excellent. Ed sounds good and remembers all of the lyrics. Mike has a very good solo and the band really nails the ending. State of Love and Trust started out like a bomb going off. Mike and the band hold up their end throughout the song, but Ed has more lyric flubs and sounds defeated going into Mike's first solo, but recovers a little by the end. Once and Given to Fly both sound ok, I guess. Better Man with the extended tag / call and response is always nice. This one does not dissapoint and ends the first set on a high point. Footsteps and Yellow Moon are both solid. All Those Yesterdays sounds better on the boot than I remember it. Was a nice surprise. Boom sausage fingered the hell out of the intro to Future Days. I remember him looking annoyed when he was playing it. I can't even put into words how awful that intro sounded. Ed and the band sound good on Evolution, aside from the South America thing. Go is solid and then we're into an excellent version of Porch which ends the second set. Ed does a surprisingly good job on both Whipping and Blood. Leaving Here is a nice treat and sounds great. I think Jeff and Matt took all the solos. Black, Alive, and RITFW were all excellent and had some very extended solos. Yellow Ledbetter with the Star Spangled Banner closed the show on a nice high note.
Overall, this was an uneven listen. The slow start of the first 3 songs was nice. But the Lightning Bolt songs really did not come across well on the boot, and they were the ones I was most excited about hearing. There was a long stretch of songs through the first set that were pretty rough. By the end of the first set they started to get it together, and aside from a few mis-steps, both encores were pretty tight. Since I went to this show, I'm sure I'll listen to it a few more times. If I wasn't there, I doubt I'd give it another listen.
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Worcester I and II '13
I really like Lightning Bolt after hearing these live versions a few time over. Eddie is a mess in the encore of I, but whatever it was still a really good show. It's funny how I dont remember him totally fucking up the first verse of Indifference at all, but on tape it's so egregious. The energy of the first show really comes across in the bootleg, which makes me happy.
I really like Lightning Bolt after hearing these live versions a few time over. Eddie is a mess in the encore of I, but whatever it was still a really good show. It's funny how I dont remember him totally fucking up the first verse of Indifference at all, but on tape it's so egregious. The energy of the first show really comes across in the bootleg, which makes me happy.
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Brooklyn 2013 1
Really good show/boot...Oceans/Yellow Moon is a perfect match.
Really good show/boot...Oceans/Yellow Moon is a perfect match.
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Boston (Mansfield) 2, 2000.
there'a great to start:
Release
Animal
Hail, Hail
Corduroy
In My Tree
Given to Fly
Breakerfall
Grievance
Evacuation
Footsteps
there'a great to start:
Release
Animal
Hail, Hail
Corduroy
In My Tree
Given to Fly
Breakerfall
Grievance
Evacuation
Footsteps
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Also on this boot now. Some good stuff here...but I'm getting pretty bored by some of the overlap between the shows on this tour. I think Porch was way overplayed this tour...I can understand Alive at every show (sort of), and you've gotta play new songs to support the new album...but for some reason I think Porch loses its teeth with too many plays. Probably partly my fault for listening to every show as it comes out, too.VinylGuy wrote:Brooklyn 2013 1
Really good show/boot...Oceans/Yellow Moon is a perfect match.
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I was pretty much shocked when they played it the 2nd night in a row in Worcester. The only thing in that setlist that was crazier was Even Flow late in the encore.Simple Torture wrote:Also on this boot now. Some good stuff here...but I'm getting pretty bored by some of the overlap between the shows on this tour. I think Porch was way overplayed this tour...I can understand Alive at every show (sort of), and you've gotta play new songs to support the new album...but for some reason I think Porch loses its teeth with too many plays. Probably partly my fault for listening to every show as it comes out, too.VinylGuy wrote:Brooklyn 2013 1
Really good show/boot...Oceans/Yellow Moon is a perfect match.
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The only Crazy Mary I've heard from this tour is the one from Worcester, but, it's gotta be the best version I've heard since probably the 05 tour. Mike and Boom were on fire.
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11/04/1996 - Hamburg, Germany
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Hugh Mungus
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Hamburg, Germany 2000. My favorite show of the Euro leg and probably a top 5 show of the entire tour. I love this bootleg.
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Love that show.Hugh Mungus wrote:Hamburg, Germany 2000. My favorite show of the Euro leg and probably a top 5 show of the entire tour. I love this bootleg.
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A serious question for you bootleg fans. Well, some thoughts and then a question. I've seen PJ a bunch of times in concert, beginning in 1992 and as recently as six shows in Europe 2012. They are an undeniably great live band, and I always enjoy hearing the boots of shows I attended. That said, they don't strike me as a band that mixes things up much, beyond the obvious setlists that differ from night to night. In other words, when they play Alive for a millionth time, or even something more obscure, they don't seem to play it much differently on a night to night basis. It's not like Bob Dylan and folks like that, who radically reconfigure their material, sometimes for a tour but other times even on a nightly basis. One example that comes to mind is slow Lukin, which was only done a couple of times.
PJ seems to play the same songs, pretty much the same way they always have. I supposed they've evolved a bit over the years, but not seemingly by much. Other than what songs they play (and a good 2/3rds of most sets are generally drawn from the same core), it doesn't seem to matter whether you're listening to a boot from Brooklyn, Salt Lake City, or San Diego. They even do the same little tags (Save it For Later, Brick in the Wall, etc) they've done for years. Understand that this opinion is uninformed -- I haven't listened to many of their bootlegs, mainly for the reasons mentioned above. It is interesting when they do something different, like Benny Hall or even the Chicago Vic show, but for regular shows, a regular tour, I don't hear much night to night variation in how songs are played.
So my question is a) Am I totally off base here and missing out big time? And if so, b) could you point me to a couple of bootlegs/tours where there is real variation in the performances of particular songs. It seems to me that other than the setlist and the energy of the performances(or feel or whatever subjective you care to add), there aren't many differences. I feel like I'm missing something when people discuss the various boots they're listening to. What is it that makes you listen to a tour's worth of shows? Is it just the setlists and the energy of the performance, or is there some other variation that you're listening for?
PJ seems to play the same songs, pretty much the same way they always have. I supposed they've evolved a bit over the years, but not seemingly by much. Other than what songs they play (and a good 2/3rds of most sets are generally drawn from the same core), it doesn't seem to matter whether you're listening to a boot from Brooklyn, Salt Lake City, or San Diego. They even do the same little tags (Save it For Later, Brick in the Wall, etc) they've done for years. Understand that this opinion is uninformed -- I haven't listened to many of their bootlegs, mainly for the reasons mentioned above. It is interesting when they do something different, like Benny Hall or even the Chicago Vic show, but for regular shows, a regular tour, I don't hear much night to night variation in how songs are played.
So my question is a) Am I totally off base here and missing out big time? And if so, b) could you point me to a couple of bootlegs/tours where there is real variation in the performances of particular songs. It seems to me that other than the setlist and the energy of the performances(or feel or whatever subjective you care to add), there aren't many differences. I feel like I'm missing something when people discuss the various boots they're listening to. What is it that makes you listen to a tour's worth of shows? Is it just the setlists and the energy of the performance, or is there some other variation that you're listening for?
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Kevin Davis
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The honest answer to that question is no. Despite natural changes in the way the band as a whole has changed their playing over time, "Alive" is the played the exact same way now as it was in 1991. They rarely switch up arrangements (and they're not usually very good when they do), and you can't even really expect Eddie to change his vocal inflections from night to night like some singers do. Honestly, much of their material simply isn't written to accommodate that type of night-to-night variation, at least not in the same way that a group like Phish's or the Grateful Dead's--other artists who attract rabid bootleg collectors--might be.
That said, I do think Pearl Jam (despite the fact that it seems like they're always trying to prove otherwise) is a markedly different live band than they are a studio band, and often throughout their career they've been a truly fantastic live band whose concert recordings have if not transcended their studio recordings, at least provided beautiful illumination to them. Each show does have its own personality of sorts, and the further back you travel into the concert history, the playing does become more organic and increasingly carried by this sense that, even on the nights when it didn't, anything could have happened when this band was onstage (for their first decade there did used to be a fair number of onstage improvs and genuinely surprising cover choices that I suspect were responsible for the group's ill-considered reputation as a band worthy of mention alongside others in "Relix" magazine). I think the band picked up on that at some point, consciously tried to replicate it, and ended up largely destroying that feeling in the process. Now they're at this weird juncture where, despite the fact that they dump rarities on the crowd like confetti and are so ill-prepared to perform that any given song feels like it could come unglued at a moment's notice, their shows feel more predictable and clinical than ever.
I don't know about others but for me the best Pearl Jam tours are like crack cocaine. The reason I own 35 bootlegs from the 2000 tour is because the first 34 were so good I figured one more could only be better--each new show is a chance to experience the high again, only with a slightly new program of material and a slightly different overall character. I imagine that's how it works for most people: You start out with a couple shows, then you get a couple more because they have live versions of a few songs you haven't heard yet, but then you realize that a couple of those desired songs have lyrical flubs so you go in pursuit of an instance of them pulling them off perfectly--one show at a time until pretty soon you look over at your shelf and there's more space devoted to Pearl Jam shows than all your other favorite artists' normal catalogs combined. It feels stupid to type it out but for whatever reason it has managed to keep material that has been at the fore of my listening for 15+ years from growing stale.
Of course, if you get nothing from it, save your time and money. For what it's worth I've made a conscious effort to stop with the PJ bootlegs (the performances have been pretty lousy for a few years, and I'd rather be sinking my time and money into discovering new bands at this point), but I've still got a shelf full of them that I continue to listen to and enjoy regularly. For my money there's no beating the 2000 tour if you want a readily available set of live discs that merits a deep dive.
That said, I do think Pearl Jam (despite the fact that it seems like they're always trying to prove otherwise) is a markedly different live band than they are a studio band, and often throughout their career they've been a truly fantastic live band whose concert recordings have if not transcended their studio recordings, at least provided beautiful illumination to them. Each show does have its own personality of sorts, and the further back you travel into the concert history, the playing does become more organic and increasingly carried by this sense that, even on the nights when it didn't, anything could have happened when this band was onstage (for their first decade there did used to be a fair number of onstage improvs and genuinely surprising cover choices that I suspect were responsible for the group's ill-considered reputation as a band worthy of mention alongside others in "Relix" magazine). I think the band picked up on that at some point, consciously tried to replicate it, and ended up largely destroying that feeling in the process. Now they're at this weird juncture where, despite the fact that they dump rarities on the crowd like confetti and are so ill-prepared to perform that any given song feels like it could come unglued at a moment's notice, their shows feel more predictable and clinical than ever.
I don't know about others but for me the best Pearl Jam tours are like crack cocaine. The reason I own 35 bootlegs from the 2000 tour is because the first 34 were so good I figured one more could only be better--each new show is a chance to experience the high again, only with a slightly new program of material and a slightly different overall character. I imagine that's how it works for most people: You start out with a couple shows, then you get a couple more because they have live versions of a few songs you haven't heard yet, but then you realize that a couple of those desired songs have lyrical flubs so you go in pursuit of an instance of them pulling them off perfectly--one show at a time until pretty soon you look over at your shelf and there's more space devoted to Pearl Jam shows than all your other favorite artists' normal catalogs combined. It feels stupid to type it out but for whatever reason it has managed to keep material that has been at the fore of my listening for 15+ years from growing stale.
Of course, if you get nothing from it, save your time and money. For what it's worth I've made a conscious effort to stop with the PJ bootlegs (the performances have been pretty lousy for a few years, and I'd rather be sinking my time and money into discovering new bands at this point), but I've still got a shelf full of them that I continue to listen to and enjoy regularly. For my money there's no beating the 2000 tour if you want a readily available set of live discs that merits a deep dive.
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Re: What bootleg are you listening to?
Hello 2003 tour.Kevin Davis wrote:I think the band picked up on that at some point, consciously tried to replicate it, and ended up largely destroying that feeling in the process.
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"Uh, here's, uh, an 'improv' we wrote about SUV's. It's, uh, about SUV's."cutuphalfdead wrote:Hello 2003 tour.Kevin Davis wrote:I think the band picked up on that at some point, consciously tried to replicate it, and ended up largely destroying that feeling in the process.