Red Mosquito

durdencommatyler wrote:

Rangi Guy wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Rangi Guy wrote:Think we'll get a trailer for this before we get a decent one for episode VIII?

Well, we've already had a great trailer for TLJ. So....

Are you talking about the one from 6 months ago? Cause that was pretty light

Oh, okay. My bad. I thought it was good. I guess I was mistaken.

Woah - what just happened there? My thinking the the TLJ trailer was a bit light wasn't a personal attack on you bud! Just an opinion

Rangi Guy wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Rangi Guy wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Rangi Guy wrote:Think we'll get a trailer for this before we get a decent one for episode VIII?

Well, we've already had a great trailer for TLJ. So....

Are you talking about the one from 6 months ago? Cause that was pretty light

Oh, okay. My bad. I thought it was good. I guess I was mistaken.

Woah - what just happened there? My thinking the the TLJ trailer was a bit light wasn't a personal attack on you bud! Just an opinion

Don't get upset, friend. I'm just touchy today. Or so I'm told.

What the hell!

Hey Jordan, should I buy Madden today? I really love that game. But $59 seems steep for any form of entertainment that doesn't involve ejaculation, y'know.

Buy it and cum on it and you will feel better

No lie: that's a great suggestion!

So art making billions is ok if it's Michael bay or some dumb Godzilla movie but if Star Wars wants to do that it's a heinous crime against art.


Typical nonsensical bullshit

I can kinda get Vermin's point with Bay - he's off doing his own thing not giving a fuck what others might think of it.....

yeah Bay doesnt really think about anything.

all of Bay's movies are the fucking same. He has a winning formula and he sticks with it but "art" because Verm loves it.

All joking aside, I totally get what LV is saying. I really do. But... it's also hopelessly optimistic and naive. Art is great. I love it. It's what fuels my soul and inspires me in my life. I promise I do get it. I'm trying to make a living DOING it. I get it, I get it, I get it.

BUT... as lovely and idealistic as it is to sit around and talk about art and all of that... you can not just ignore the business side of Hollywood and film making. It sucks, I agree. But this it's a business. And Star Wars is a billion dollar commodity. It has rules and established mythology and canonical storytelling. You certainly don't have to like any of that. But you have to understand it. And you can't look at a franchise like Star Wars the same way you look at other films or individual, independent works by other artists.

Michael Bay and Gareth Edwards both make distinct, individual art that satisfies THEM first and foremost. It isn't about how much money the movies make. It's about the personality in how they're made. Of course there is going to be compromise when you're working with properties as huge as Star Wars or Transformers or Godzilla. But there's a difference between making concessions and designing your movie from day one strictly for mass appeal and legacy preservation.

I agree. But now we're getting down to subjective vs objective. Michael Bay satisfies YOU. But his work doesn't satisfy everyone. Ditto JJ Abrams and me.

durdencommatyler wrote:I agree. But now we're getting down to subjective vs objective. Michael Bay satisfies YOU. But his work doesn't satisfy everyone. Ditto JJ Abrams and me.

Wait, I think you misread what I said. I didn't say anything about them satisfying me. I said their art satisfied THEM.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:I agree. But now we're getting down to subjective vs objective. Michael Bay satisfies YOU. But his work doesn't satisfy everyone. Ditto JJ Abrams and me.

Wait, I think you misread what I said. I didn't say anything about them satisfying me. I said their art satisfied THEM.

Seems as though with this you insinuate that a guy like JJ abrams is not satisfied with his art? People say this same dull shit about pearl jam just because they dont like their current music.

Correct me if im wrong.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:I agree. But now we're getting down to subjective vs objective. Michael Bay satisfies YOU. But his work doesn't satisfy everyone. Ditto JJ Abrams and me.

Wait, I think you misread what I said. I didn't say anything about them satisfying me. I said their art satisfied THEM.

Ah. Well, then I guess I don't know what we're talking about.

Yeah, I'm really confused now.

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:I agree. But now we're getting down to subjective vs objective. Michael Bay satisfies YOU. But his work doesn't satisfy everyone. Ditto JJ Abrams and me.

Wait, I think you misread what I said. I didn't say anything about them satisfying me. I said their art satisfied THEM.

Seems as though with this you insinuate that a guy like JJ abrams is not satisfied with his art? People say this same dull shit about pearl jam just because they dont like their current music.

Correct me if im wrong.

In the case of TFA? That was hardly his art. That movie was developed and shepherded by execs from day one. After the prequels, Kennedy and co. took no chances. Abrams was a reliably bland hand to bring it to competent completion for a return on their investment. He barely seems to have any personality at all from what I've seen from him, both in his art and in his interviews.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:I agree. But now we're getting down to subjective vs objective. Michael Bay satisfies YOU. But his work doesn't satisfy everyone. Ditto JJ Abrams and me.

Wait, I think you misread what I said. I didn't say anything about them satisfying me. I said their art satisfied THEM.

Seems as though with this you insinuate that a guy like JJ abrams is not satisfied with his art? People say this same dull shit about pearl jam just because they dont like their current music.

Correct me if im wrong.

In the case of TFA? That was hardly his art. That movie was developed and shepherded by execs from day one. After the prequels, Kennedy and co. took no chances. Abrams was a reliably bland hand to bring it to competent completion for a return on their investment. He barely seems to have any personality at all from what I've seen from him, both in his art and in his interviews.

Okay, so you just proved my point. you dont like the movie, thus its not his art, and its not art.

Glad thats cleared up.