Red Mosquito

PHATJ wrote:

Also, remember this - if the TV news had never told you to be afraid of this virus, you wouldn't have. You'd have never given it a thought, you'd have gone about your life as usual along with everyone else. You'd likely have never known there was a virus at all, you’d have thought that this was just another type of Flu. So, remember that all your fear and panic exists because you were TOLD to live in fear and panic. Regardless of whether things reopen or not, you still have the choice to stay home and not go places if you feel that is what is best for you and your family."

I think we might have noticed that the rest of the world was shutting down. Hard to believe every country tanked its economy on purpose, for no reason. And some states are forcing people back with this "voluntary quit" rule, taking away unemployment. So no, many have no choice.

PHATJ wrote:

Mickey wrote:"Government overreach" lmao. It was fun having you play-pretend at being a serious interlocutor but like all good things it had to come to an end.

Mickey, does it feel good to just be an insufferable prick for no reason?

Your question aside as that's a whole different discussion...

You do see how loaded those words you posted are, right? And how saying things like:

unwarranted fear and panic

whine and complain

sit in your house watching TV, swallowing the panic narrative, and hoarding toilet paper

basically betray the goodwill and empathy you expressed toward me just a few posts back? Come on man, you should be able to express your opinion on things without resorting to veiled (and not-so-veiled) insults.

IM not hoarding TP.

PHATJ wrote:

Mickey wrote:"Government overreach" lmao. It was fun having you play-pretend at being a serious interlocutor but like all good things it had to come to an end.

Mickey, does it feel good to just be an insufferable prick for no reason?

I dunno man, as others have pointed out, you're the one advancing bad-faith arguments here and lumping all calls for public health measures into the blanket dismissal of "government overreach" so I'd say "no reason" is a bit overstated, maybe that's just me though!

PHATJ wrote:In MN, 99.5% of those that have died (which has also been a relatively small total number) have been elderly people living in assisted living or people with significant other factors (such as cancer). Only 0.05% have been relatively healthy people with no other major factors.

The below link from fox news is for you. --Corona is also causing strokes in people who are in their 20s, 30s, 40s,.

The reason corona is so serious is that doctors still don't know the full scope of damage it could do. It's causing Kawasaki disease in kids under 10 also.

So while many people will survive it, not everyone comes out unscathed. There are 30-year olds who cant walk or talk again.

The medical community never had this virus before so everything they are learning from it is real time and still yet to show itself.

There is no research pool that they can rely on . So the world IS reacting appropriately so

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6151589532001#sp=show-clips

I'll also note that the ability to rationalize stay-at-home orders to protect the most vulnerable as "government overreach" but being unwilling to consider mandatory re-opening which automatically kicks vulnerable workers off unemployment and forces them back to their jobs before it is demonstrably safe to do so as a parallel form of "overreach" is....well, it's something.

PHATJ wrote:This is the last I will post on this subject for awhile. We each have our own reasons for feeling the way we do. The part that frustrates me the most is the misrepresentation that people who want to get society back in full motion are made to look like we don’t care about the deaths of some people. That couldn’t be further from the truth. I’m worried about the lives of millions of families being ruined by government overreach just as much as I am about this virus killing people, perhaps more so.

These aren’t my words, but I generally agree with the sentiment.

Does it make you feel safer knowing that your unwarranted fear and panic are costing others their livelihoods and even their own lives?
Each time you whine and complain about keeping the country shut down, remember what it's costing OTHER people for you to sit in your house watching TV, swallowing the panic narrative, and hoarding toilet paper.
Also, remember this - if the TV news had never told you to be afraid of this virus, you wouldn't have. You'd have never given it a thought, you'd have gone about your life as usual along with everyone else. You'd likely have never known there was a virus at all, you’d have thought that this was just another type of Flu. So, remember that all your fear and panic exists because you were TOLD to live in fear and panic. Regardless of whether things reopen or not, you still have the choice to stay home and not go places if you feel that is what is best for you and your family."

Look, people can think what they want. I'm wholly sympathetic to the costs of what this is going to be. But I just have to be honest and say that to believe the bolded is utterly delusional. Now, maybe you don't agree with this particular part, but to act like this is a run of the mill event flies in the face of everything we know about this virus.

For comparison, if this was really like a typical flu (with an average fatality rate of 0.1%), in New York State, 18.2 million people will need to have caught the coronavirus; only 19.4 million people live in the state. In New York City, 13.1 million would needed to have caught the virus for the death toll to be comparable to the flu. The city only has a population of 8.4 million.

Just another normal day of watching bodies pile up in freezer trucks outside my local hospital, as they do every April in New York City.

Just putting these together because it makes me laugh

McParadigm wrote:This is history book stuff. You, right now, are living, breathing history. This is the version of you that stands before all eternity to be judged.

Seems like everyone's into eating ass these days.

Wait for it.

Mickey wrote:I'll also note that the ability to rationalize stay-at-home orders to protect the most vulnerable as "government overreach" but being unwilling to consider mandatory re-opening which automatically kicks vulnerable workers off unemployment and forces them back to their jobs before it is demonstrably safe to do so as a parallel form of "overreach" is....well, it's something.

Yea this is an incredible thought exercise for some.

Vail resorts got a ton of shit because they ended up firing a good chunk of their seasonal employers at the start of this. Turns out, it was so they could all collect unemployment and was actually the best thing they could do for those workers at the time.

Mickey wrote:

Orpheus wrote:

Mickey wrote:It's more than a little intellectually dishonest to claim that those with underlying conditions who died of COVID were going to die anyway (true) and that therefore what they actually die from doesn't matter (not true!) . My grandparents were always going to die but I'm not less mad if they're hit by a drunk driver.

We also don't have a full grasp of recovery from the virus yet. If you live but its with reduced lung capacity and a host of increased health risks for the future, that's still very bad!

To say nothing of the fact that it now looks like COVID can cause sudden strokes in younger people--which, in addition to suggesting that we're still undercounting deaths, is uhh pretty bad!

Can confirm

digster wrote:

PHATJ wrote:This is the last I will post on this subject for awhile. We each have our own reasons for feeling the way we do. The part that frustrates me the most is the misrepresentation that people who want to get society back in full motion are made to look like we don’t care about the deaths of some people. That couldn’t be further from the truth. I’m worried about the lives of millions of families being ruined by government overreach just as much as I am about this virus killing people, perhaps more so.

These aren’t my words, but I generally agree with the sentiment.

Does it make you feel safer knowing that your unwarranted fear and panic are costing others their livelihoods and even their own lives?
Each time you whine and complain about keeping the country shut down, remember what it's costing OTHER people for you to sit in your house watching TV, swallowing the panic narrative, and hoarding toilet paper.
Also, remember this - if the TV news had never told you to be afraid of this virus, you wouldn't have. You'd have never given it a thought, you'd have gone about your life as usual along with everyone else. You'd likely have never known there was a virus at all, you’d have thought that this was just another type of Flu. So, remember that all your fear and panic exists because you were TOLD to live in fear and panic. Regardless of whether things reopen or not, you still have the choice to stay home and not go places if you feel that is what is best for you and your family."

Look, people can think what they want. I'm wholly sympathetic to the costs of what this is going to be. But I just have to be honest and say that to believe the bolded is utterly delusional. Now, maybe you don't agree with this particular part, but to act like this is a run of the mill event flies in the face of everything we know about this virus.

For comparison, if this was really like a typical flu (with an average fatality rate of 0.1%), in New York State, 18.2 million people will need to have caught the coronavirus; only 19.4 million people live in the state. In New York City, 13.1 million would needed to have caught the virus for the death toll to be comparable to the flu. The city only has a population of 8.4 million.

So if the media didnt report on it it wouldnt exist. Got it. if i can't see it, its not a problem.

Me, me, me, me.

Boy am I glad I live in a socially responsible democratic country.
My government is doing all it can to help those in need, employers and employees both, so no one has to choose between work or possibly death.
Sure, we'll feel the financial pain for awhile but we'll be alive.

And no, fuck that.

If my friends mom who is healthy and no pre existing conditions, suddenly ended up at the hospital on a ventilator for two weeks, then my sister in law got sick, my girlfriend, my boss's wife all got sick, a friends husband died, and 6 other locals in town here all fucking died within a matter of weeks.

I WOULD FUCKING KNOW THIS IS SERIOUS SHIT.

People are really struggling with all of this because they are realizing that life isn't about them.

Let it be known that we were good internet neighbors to PHATJ and tried, y'all. All we can really do.

The media told us to be afraid? I seem to remember quite a few press conferences from your president where he was also telling us to be careful, shelter in place, etc. And he doesn't listen to the fake news!

E.H. Ruddock wrote:The media told us to be afraid? I seem to remember quite a few press conferences from your president where he was also telling us to be careful, shelter in place, etc. And he doesn't listen to the fake news!

Oh he was being sarcastic, just joshing the republic.