Red Mosquito

bune wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Stip and dime are both right. Lucasfilm/Disney/Abrams did a great job concealing major plot points. But pretty much everyone I talked to assumed the big ones by the time the movie opened. And one of the very first early, EARLY spoilers was "speculation" about Han's death. But again, that wasn't ever part of the marketing proper.

Han's death was something he wanted in RotJ and I think that was pretty much the only reason Ford came back anyway.

Ford wanted it all the way back in Empire.

durdencommatyler wrote:

bune wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Stip and dime are both right. Lucasfilm/Disney/Abrams did a great job concealing major plot points. But pretty much everyone I talked to assumed the big ones by the time the movie opened. And one of the very first early, EARLY spoilers was "speculation" about Han's death. But again, that wasn't ever part of the marketing proper.

Han's death was something he wanted in RotJ and I think that was pretty much the only reason Ford came back anyway.

Ford wanted it all the way back in Empire.

He actually wanted it before he was even cast as Han.

Monkey_Driven wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

bune wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Stip and dime are both right. Lucasfilm/Disney/Abrams did a great job concealing major plot points. But pretty much everyone I talked to assumed the big ones by the time the movie opened. And one of the very first early, EARLY spoilers was "speculation" about Han's death. But again, that wasn't ever part of the marketing proper.

Han's death was something he wanted in RotJ and I think that was pretty much the only reason Ford came back anyway.

Ford wanted it all the way back in Empire.

He actually wanted it before he was even cast as Han.

I heard he actually mentioned it while he was crowning

Monkey_Driven wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

bune wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Stip and dime are both right. Lucasfilm/Disney/Abrams did a great job concealing major plot points. But pretty much everyone I talked to assumed the big ones by the time the movie opened. And one of the very first early, EARLY spoilers was "speculation" about Han's death. But again, that wasn't ever part of the marketing proper.

Han's death was something he wanted in RotJ and I think that was pretty much the only reason Ford came back anyway.

Ford wanted it all the way back in Empire.

He actually wanted it before he was even cast as Han.

And Kasdan wanted to kill him off in ROTJ and fought George hard for it saying the death would add an emotional weight to the story and make the victory feel earned. George wouldn't let him.

Stick that in your pipe next time you're beating up on Kasdan

Lucas was 100% right there.

And now you're reminding me about how they retconned Han and Leia in TFA and I'm getting pissed. Dammit, dime.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Lucas was 100% right there.

No he wasnt

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Lucas was 100% right there.

No he wasnt

I'm sorry ROTJ wasn't edgy enough for you

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Lucas was 100% right there.

No he wasnt

I'm sorry ROTJ wasn't edgy enough for you

I love ROTJ, you fool.

Wicket is such a Mary Sue

I have to say - I think I was way more excited for Rogue One than I am for this

Oh absolutely

LoathedVermin72 wrote:And now you're reminding me about how they retconned Han and Leia in TFA and I'm getting pissed. Dammit, dime.

They didn't retcon Han and Leia though

Rangi Guy wrote:I have to say - I think I was way more excited for Rogue One than I am for this

I was about to agree then reminded myself the marketing for this hasn't kicked off but also that we know almost nothing about it. At all. Could be we've just played out the questions TFA left us with (why was it even made? In LVs case)

But once we start getting more it'll kick in. D23 will have something for us this Saturday.

I hate to agree with dime, but yeah, we've got 5 months to go. Give it time.

B wrote:I hate to agree with dime, but yeah, we've got 5 months to go. Give it time.

I hate when you agree with me.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Lucas was 100% right there.

No he wasnt

I'm sorry ROTJ wasn't edgy enough for you

I mean, a colony of human-flesh eating murder bears is pretty fucking grim, man.

dimejinky99 wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:And now you're reminding me about how they retconned Han and Leia in TFA and I'm getting pissed. Dammit, dime.

They didn't retcon Han and Leia though

I'm not necessarily 100% comfortable with calling it a retcon either. Because I do fully understand they choices the characters made and why. They are valid choices that make sense in the world that was created. However, I do still feel like there was a better way to tell that story. I don't think the choices that the writers made were the strongest option. There was something more interesting there.

what would you have wanted to see them do as an alternative?