Red Mosquito

tragabigzanda wrote:i love how rockpusher is just ignoring the four articles that cover the use of bots in streaming numbers

he's probably just off trying to relax, as I was when things got aggressive between us

tragabigzanda wrote:

stip wrote:It's ahead of half of Gigaton, and pretty much all of Backspacer and Riot Act as well. Good chunk of Yield. It's hard to figure out how to parse this. Those albums would have gotten a boost with a streaming release, but they've also had years of opportunities for casual play.

Dark Matter has clearly done well so far, regardless

Serious question: What's the usage of bots like these days to drive plays and streaming revenues/hype? I've not kept up with this at all, but if it happens on X it probably happens on streaming platforms.

Yeah I’m not sure how it works but for example Netflix counts like a full a view if you stay like 2 minutes into a movie so maybe Spotify does something similar ?

YouTube views are also fake as hell mostly

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:i love how rockpusher is just ignoring the four articles that cover the use of bots in streaming numbers

he's probably just off trying to relax, as I was when things got aggressive between us

For real. I want a place I can express myself about Pearl Jam without being ridiculed. It’s pretty fucked.

spike wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

spike wrote:Are we still in stage 2 anger, trag?

on the contrary, I posted a 12-page missive yesterday that was completely calm and rational, and posited a completely reasonable question, and JamilyBro over here is all "you hate pearl jam!" Silly.

The stages don’t necessarily go in order, as long as we eventually reach acceptance.

and sometimes we cycle through them many times; plenty of things I think I've accepted until relapse day and then, oops, there's the pain again like it happened yesterday and I have to be careful how I interact with people

VinylGuy wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

stip wrote:It's ahead of half of Gigaton, and pretty much all of Backspacer and Riot Act as well. Good chunk of Yield. It's hard to figure out how to parse this. Those albums would have gotten a boost with a streaming release, but they've also had years of opportunities for casual play.

Dark Matter has clearly done well so far, regardless

Serious question: What's the usage of bots like these days to drive plays and streaming revenues/hype? I've not kept up with this at all, but if it happens on X it probably happens on streaming platforms.

Yeah I’m not sure how it works but for example Netflix counts like a full a view if you stay like 2 minutes into a movie so maybe Spotify does something similar ?

YouTube views are also fake as hell mostly

Our very own Lament just had an issue with Spotify that threatened to remove his music due to Bots increasing streams on his EP

RockPusher wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:i love how rockpusher is just ignoring the four articles that cover the use of bots in streaming numbers

he's probably just off trying to relax, as I was when things got aggressive between us

For real. I want a place I can express myself about Pearl Jam without being ridiculed. It’s pretty fucked.

do you use Facebook? I'm up for a new PJ friend on there: search Madailín Burnhope

RM is even weirder for me once i became legit real life friends with a few of you here. Funny to see Trag get piled on as something he's really not. I mean, hes a hard headed frustrating fella, but my goodness he's one of the best people I know.

The internet is fun as hell

RockPusher wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:i love how rockpusher is just ignoring the four articles that cover the use of bots in streaming numbers

he's probably just off trying to relax, as I was when things got aggressive between us

For real. I want a place I can express myself about Pearl Jam without being ridiculed. It’s pretty fucked.

lol, you came to me with this shit. Review the exchange you idiot.

Ms Harmless wrote:

RockPusher wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:i love how rockpusher is just ignoring the four articles that cover the use of bots in streaming numbers

he's probably just off trying to relax, as I was when things got aggressive between us

For real. I want a place I can express myself about Pearl Jam without being ridiculed. It’s pretty fucked.

do you use Facebook? I'm up for a new PJ friend on there: search Madailín Burnhope

Added. Thanks.

-Kumar

RockPusher is me circa 2006 and i feel a little bit of shame on that.

Strat wrote:RockPusher is me circa 2006 and i feel a little bit of shame on that.

Wow. Bunch of mean ass folks here.

RockPusher wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

RockPusher wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:i love how rockpusher is just ignoring the four articles that cover the use of bots in streaming numbers

he's probably just off trying to relax, as I was when things got aggressive between us

For real. I want a place I can express myself about Pearl Jam without being ridiculed. It’s pretty fucked.

do you use Facebook? I'm up for a new PJ friend on there: search Madailín Burnhope

Added. Thanks.

-Kumar

RockPusher wrote:

Strat wrote:RockPusher is me circa 2006 and i feel a little bit of shame on that.

Wow. Bunch of mean ass folks here.

Strat and Trag come as a pair now, bless them

tragabigzanda wrote:

stip wrote:It's ahead of half of Gigaton, and pretty much all of Backspacer and Riot Act as well. Good chunk of Yield. It's hard to figure out how to parse this. Those albums would have gotten a boost with a streaming release, but they've also had years of opportunities for casual play.

Dark Matter has clearly done well so far, regardless

Serious question: What's the usage of bots like these days to drive plays and streaming revenues/hype? I've not kept up with this at all, but if it happens on X it probably happens on streaming platforms.

I'm not the person to answer that. I am sure some gaming happens, but I have spent some idle moments looking at Pearl Jam's spotify numbers song by song (it's a nice distraction when there is space to check out in a remote meeting) and they do pretty much track the way I would expect them too, with the songs identified as singles and hits usually fairly far ahead of the deeper album cuts. I've always wondered how much Pearl Jam's numbers are impacted by the existence of a SIRUS XM station devoted exclusively to the band.

Based on some of the articles you posted, it doesn't seem like their use would be as prevalent with legacy artists who have built in fan bases.

I miss the days of album sales as a shorthand for interest/distribution and success. I'm sure there were tons of challenges with that as well (Monster sold a lot of copies, as did Vitalogy, but they were easily the most popular Pearl Jam and REM entries in every used CD section i ever perused), but it seems cleaner

I regret that at one point in my fandom i was the one who told people who didnt like pearl jam to stop posting about pearl jam. People who didnt love pearl jam as much as me negatively impacted my enjoyment.

Looking back, i regret that. I dont think its the way to interact in this world. I have learned so much about my own fandom and love of the band from people who pushed back and didnt love everything. Its far more well rounded and enjoyable being here because of it. And easier to take in the times when someone like Trag tells me Eddie Vedder isn't awesome like i think he is

Strat wrote:RM is even weirder for me once i became legit real life friends with a few of you here. Funny to see Trag get piled on as something he's really not. I mean, hes a hard headed frustrating fella, but my goodness he's one of the best people I know.

The internet is fun as hell

Trag can be a really nice guy; he can also be a douchebag, same as all of us (including me); we don't have to polish a turd to accept each other as humans

Strat wrote:I regret that at one point in my fandom i was the one who told people who didnt like pearl jam to stop posting about pearl jam.

That is not what I’m doing. And I can be critical of Pearl Jam. Evacuation for example is a song I actively dislike.

RockPusher wrote:

Strat wrote:I regret that at one point in my fandom i was the one who told people who didnt like pearl jam to stop posting about pearl jam.

That is not what I’m doing. And I can be critical of Pearl Jam. Evacuation for example is a song I actively dislike.

Its absolutely how you are coming off.