Despite using super-violence as a selling point and Nick Cage, who looks absurdly awful, I'm somehow kind of interested in this.
Whats wrong with violence as a selling point? and nic cage??
A lot. And he's terrible.
Re: The Cinematic Motion Picture News Thread
Posted: Mon July 02, 2018 3:01 pm
by VinylGuy
Do you care to explain a little more? Or thats it and we are never ever going to talk about it again?
Re: The Cinematic Motion Picture News Thread
Posted: Mon July 02, 2018 3:15 pm
by epilogue
VinylGuy wrote:Do you care to explain a little more? Or thats it and we are never ever going to talk about it again?
If you really want to talk about it, we can. But I'm not sure it really matters. It's not something you're going to agree with and I'll say something honest that just ends up being one of those things y'all can tease me about from time to time.
I don't believe that violent films make people violent or anything like that. It's not that cut and dried. But I do have an issue with using violence as a means to sell a product. I have issues with the elevation and glorification of violence, especially violence for violence's sake with no larger or more interesting message or implication. The movie may not be violence for violence's sake. I don't know. But that marketing cam across that way to me.
As far as Nick Cage goes... I don't know what else to say. I think he's a one note hack who makes largely terrible films. People seem to like him a lot but I think he's been mostly useless since the late 90s. He's like Al Pacino if Al Pacino was never actually good except accidentally sometimes.
Re: The Cinematic Motion Picture News Thread
Posted: Mon July 02, 2018 3:27 pm
by VinylGuy
durdencommatyler wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:Do you care to explain a little more? Or thats it and we are never ever going to talk about it again?
If you really want to talk about it, we can. But I'm not sure it really matters. It's not something you're going to agree with and I'll say something honest that just ends up being one of those things y'all can tease me about from time to time.
I don't believe that violent films make people violent or anything like that. It's not that cut and dried. But I do have an issue with using violence as a means to sell a product. I have issues with the elevation and glorification of violence, especially violence for violence's sake with no larger or more interesting message or implication. The movie may not be violence for violence's sake. I don't know. But that marketing cam across that way to me.
As far as Nick Cage goes... I don't know what else to say. I think he's a one note hack who makes largely terrible films. People seem to like him a lot but I think he's been mostly useless since the late 90s. He's like Al Pacino if Al Pacino was never actually good except accidentally sometimes.
Even if we dont agree we can discuss about it.
I dont think this film is teasing violence for violence sake in the same way action movies or other movies do. I think its beautifully shot and presented and the violence is gorgeous and cinematic. Im all in for that.
Re: The Cinematic Motion Picture News Thread
Posted: Mon July 02, 2018 3:27 pm
by VinylGuy
Nic had some very good films in the last couple of years.
Dog Eat Dog and Joe are amazing.
Re: The Cinematic Motion Picture News Thread
Posted: Mon July 02, 2018 4:00 pm
by epilogue
VinylGuy wrote:Nic had some very good films in the last couple of years.
Dog Eat Dog and Joe are amazing.
Adaptation was the last thing he made that I enjoyed. He was great in that.
Re: The Cinematic Motion Picture News Thread
Posted: Mon July 02, 2018 4:08 pm
by VinylGuy
durdencommatyler wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:Nic had some very good films in the last couple of years.
Dog Eat Dog and Joe are amazing.
Adaptation was the last thing he made that I enjoyed. He was great in that.
You should see Joe. Its fuckin awesome. And Dog Eat Dog is one of my favs from him too. To see Willem Dafoe and him working together...bliss.
Oh and the amazing Bad Lieutenant 2!!! Such a wonderful film.
Re: The Cinematic Motion Picture News Thread
Posted: Mon July 02, 2018 4:12 pm
by epilogue
VinylGuy wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:Nic had some very good films in the last couple of years.
Dog Eat Dog and Joe are amazing.
Adaptation was the last thing he made that I enjoyed. He was great in that.
You should see Joe. Its fuckin awesome. And Dog Eat Dog is one of my favs from him too. To see Willem Dafoe and him working together...bliss.
Oh and the amazing Bad Lieutenant 2!!! Such a wonderful film.
I've watched the trailers for all of those movie, but I admit I haven't seen the films themselves. I don't know man... I'll see if I can get around to any of those. But they look awful to me.
Re: The Cinematic Motion Picture News Thread
Posted: Mon July 02, 2018 4:23 pm
by VinylGuy
Oh! and Mom And Dad. And Windtalkers, world trade center, Lord Of War, Matchstick Men
So many wonderful movies
Re: The Cinematic Motion Picture News Thread
Posted: Mon July 02, 2018 4:29 pm
by epilogue
VinylGuy wrote:Oh! and Mom And Dad. And Windtalkers, world trade center, Lord Of War, Matchstick Men
So many wonderful movies
Windtalkers, World Trade Center and Matchstick Men were.... not my favorites.
Re: The Cinematic Motion Picture News Thread
Posted: Mon July 02, 2018 4:40 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
Leaving Las Vegas
Re: The Cinematic Motion Picture News Thread
Posted: Mon July 02, 2018 4:44 pm
by epilogue
E.H. Ruddock wrote:Leaving Las Vegas
Yessir.
Re: The Cinematic Motion Picture News Thread
Posted: Mon July 02, 2018 5:36 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
8mm
Re: The Cinematic Motion Picture News Thread
Posted: Mon July 02, 2018 5:37 pm
by LoathedVermin72
Snake Eyes!!!!!
Re: The Cinematic Motion Picture News Thread
Posted: Mon July 02, 2018 5:40 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
Re: The Cinematic Motion Picture News Thread
Posted: Mon July 02, 2018 5:42 pm
by LoathedVermin72
tragabigzanda wrote:Raising Arizona > everything else he's ever done (except maybe this new one which looks awesome)
No way
Re: The Cinematic Motion Picture News Thread
Posted: Mon July 02, 2018 5:47 pm
by VinylGuy
Guys, how do you feel about violence in movies?
Re: The Cinematic Motion Picture News Thread
Posted: Mon July 02, 2018 5:49 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
Re: The Cinematic Motion Picture News Thread
Posted: Mon July 02, 2018 5:53 pm
by epilogue
LoathedVermin72 wrote:Snake Eyes!!!!!
I remember really loving his performance in Snake Eyes. But it's been a long time.
Re: The Cinematic Motion Picture News Thread
Posted: Mon July 02, 2018 5:55 pm
by tree_
I loved Django Unchained all the way up to the overblown mindless violence and the scenes that follow. It should've ended with a quick shootout and escape after the dentist gets shot.