Red Mosquito

RockPusher wrote:

Strat wrote:I regret that at one point in my fandom i was the one who told people who didnt like pearl jam to stop posting about pearl jam.

That is not what I’m doing. And I can be critical of Pearl Jam. Evacuation for example is a song I actively dislike.

tragabigzanda wrote:

stip wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

stip wrote:It's ahead of half of Gigaton, and pretty much all of Backspacer and Riot Act as well. Good chunk of Yield. It's hard to figure out how to parse this. Those albums would have gotten a boost with a streaming release, but they've also had years of opportunities for casual play.

Dark Matter has clearly done well so far, regardless

Serious question: What's the usage of bots like these days to drive plays and streaming revenues/hype? I've not kept up with this at all, but if it happens on X it probably happens on streaming platforms.

I'm not the person to answer that. I am sure some gaming happens, but I have spent some idle moments looking at Pearl Jam's spotify numbers song by song (it's a nice distraction when there is space to check out in a remote meeting) and they do pretty much track the way I would expect them too, with the songs identified as singles and hits usually fairly far ahead of the deeper album cuts. I've always wondered how much Pearl Jam's numbers are impacted by the existence of a SIRUS XM station devoted exclusively to the band.

Based on some of the articles you posted, it doesn't seem like their use would be as prevalent with legacy artists who have built in fan bases.

I miss the days of album sales as a shorthand for interest/distribution and success. I'm sure there were tons of challenges with that as well (Monster sold a lot of copies, as did Vitalogy, but they were easily the most popular Pearl Jam and REM entries in every used CD section i ever perused), but it seems cleaner

This all seems fair.

My skepticism about the numbers for Running have virtually nothing to do with the song, and more to do with the fact that it's been out for like 48 hours.

tragabigzanda wrote:

stip wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

stip wrote:It's ahead of half of Gigaton, and pretty much all of Backspacer and Riot Act as well. Good chunk of Yield. It's hard to figure out how to parse this. Those albums would have gotten a boost with a streaming release, but they've also had years of opportunities for casual play.

Dark Matter has clearly done well so far, regardless

Serious question: What's the usage of bots like these days to drive plays and streaming revenues/hype? I've not kept up with this at all, but if it happens on X it probably happens on streaming platforms.

I'm not the person to answer that. I am sure some gaming happens, but I have spent some idle moments looking at Pearl Jam's spotify numbers song by song (it's a nice distraction when there is space to check out in a remote meeting) and they do pretty much track the way I would expect them too, with the songs identified as singles and hits usually fairly far ahead of the deeper album cuts. I've always wondered how much Pearl Jam's numbers are impacted by the existence of a SIRUS XM station devoted exclusively to the band.

Based on some of the articles you posted, it doesn't seem like their use would be as prevalent with legacy artists who have built in fan bases.

I miss the days of album sales as a shorthand for interest/distribution and success. I'm sure there were tons of challenges with that as well (Monster sold a lot of copies, as did Vitalogy, but they were easily the most popular Pearl Jam and REM entries in every used CD section i ever perused), but it seems cleaner

This all seems fair.

My skepticism about the numbers for Running have virtually nothing to do with the song, and more to do with the fact that it's been out for like 48 hours.

Strat wrote:Its all about streaming plays. Its really only how bands will get signed by any degree. So, yea, its all streaming.

Im gonna pay so many bots somehow and get myself famous so you can all E my A

Strat wrote:Its all about streaming plays. Its really only how bands will get signed by any degree. So, yea, its all streaming.

Im gonna pay so many bots somehow and get myself famous so you can all E my A

Strat wrote:With PJ's social media presence the way it is these days, no way anyone would sign them.

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Strat wrote:With PJ's social media presence the way it is these days, no way anyone would sign them.

I really wasn't expecting it to fall so hard again after Gigaton lol

That’s another thing that irks me about this promotional cycle: it feels so unformed and directionless. “Here’s a 2-minute song, maybe go for a jog and point your phone at the sun.”

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Strat wrote:With PJ's social media presence the way it is these days, no way anyone would sign them.

I really wasn't expecting it to fall so hard again after Gigaton lol

That’s another thing that irks me about this promotional cycle: it feels so unformed and directionless. “Here’s a 2-minute song, maybe go for a jog and point your phone at the sun.”

stip wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Strat wrote:With PJ's social media presence the way it is these days, no way anyone would sign them.

I really wasn't expecting it to fall so hard again after Gigaton lol

That’s another thing that irks me about this promotional cycle: it feels so unformed and directionless. “Here’s a 2-minute song, maybe go for a jog and point your phone at the sun.”

As opposed to Gigaton's? Three videos for the same thing and point your cell phone towards the sky for a clip of SBWM. Pearl Jam has never been good at self-promotion. Their hearts are not into it.

Uninformed and directionless is 100% fair, but it's nothing new.