Red Mosquito

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:I guess I'm just not enough of a fawning fanboy to be excited about this

As another non-fawning fanboy I can tell you, you're absolutely wrong. This trailer looked beyond fantastic.

I wish I could share your confidence, sir. But, realistically, outside of nostalgia-tickling (which I hate), what in that trailer looks significantly different from trailers for stuff like Oblivion, Ender's Game, Abram's Star Trek, etc.? I just don't see what people think is setting this apart outside of its brand.

Why does it have to be set apart? Star Wars changed the fuckjng genre and helped make what it is today. It's the story that is different than all those. The Star Wars saga has captured people's imaginations for generations. (Normal people. Not people like you ) and this trailer - for damn near everyone (except you and mcp) points exactly to why Star Wars was special in the first place.

Guys, I wouldn't bother having this debate with Loathed. He likes the Pod Race.

stip wrote:So was that last line in the trailer directed at McP?

Why have I been summoned to this thread? I was trying to let you monkeys be while you seizure and dance.

It's a nice looking trailer. But JJ is great at big shots that translate well to trailers, and none of the things I dislike about him are going to show up in a promo. I think he reduces everything around those big shots. Characters, dialogue, storytelling. They all get cut down to simplest terms. His movies are like nerd Michael Bay.

Now maybe the new screenwriter will help prevent that, but that's an assumption based on a movie that's over 30 years old. We'll see. my expectation of JJ would be that to him, Star Wars is basically the millennium falcon, laser swords, space explosions and a giant planetary weapon. He's a great technician with lots of love in his soul and no talent for telling a tale.

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:I guess I'm just not enough of a fawning fanboy to be excited about this

As another non-fawning fanboy I can tell you, you're absolutely wrong. This trailer looked beyond fantastic.

I wish I could share your confidence, sir. But, realistically, outside of nostalgia-tickling (which I hate), what in that trailer looks significantly different from trailers for stuff like Oblivion, Ender's Game, Abram's Star Trek, etc.? I just don't see what people think is setting this apart outside of its brand.

Why does it have to be set apart? Star Wars changed the fuckjng genre and helped make what it is today. It's the story that is different than all those. The Star Wars saga has captured people's imaginations for generations. (Normal people. Not people like you ) and this trailer - for damn near everyone (except you and mcp) points exactly to why Star Wars was special in the first place.

You're still not telling me what is exciting about that trailer outside of its brand. And, if it's not clear, I love the OT. I grew up obsessed with Star Wars. I'm not asking why Star Wars is special - I'm asking why this trailer is special.

McParadigm wrote: His movies are like nerd Michael Bay.

And with this, it will be impossible for the skeptics to form a united front.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

Strat wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:I guess I'm just not enough of a fawning fanboy to be excited about this

As another non-fawning fanboy I can tell you, you're absolutely wrong. This trailer looked beyond fantastic.

I wish I could share your confidence, sir. But, realistically, outside of nostalgia-tickling (which I hate), what in that trailer looks significantly different from trailers for stuff like Oblivion, Ender's Game, Abram's Star Trek, etc.? I just don't see what people think is setting this apart outside of its brand.

Why does it have to be set apart? Star Wars changed the fuckjng genre and helped make what it is today. It's the story that is different than all those. The Star Wars saga has captured people's imaginations for generations. (Normal people. Not people like you ) and this trailer - for damn near everyone (except you and mcp) points exactly to why Star Wars was special in the first place.

You're still not telling me what is special about that trailer outside of its brand. And, if it's not clear, I love the OT. I grew up obsessed with Star Wars.

I love the idea of the new characters and the journeys they are about to take. i think the finn character could be a really great story line. I dont care of its nostalgia, its part of Star Wars. I think it would be terrible to tell a completely different tale without the skywalkers. I also love the idea that Kylo Renn is a obsessed with Darth Vader and carrying on his mission. These are all great launch pads for potentially great stories.

And, pod racing.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:I guess I'm just not enough of a fawning fanboy to be excited about this

As another non-fawning fanboy I can tell you, you're absolutely wrong. This trailer looked beyond fantastic.

I wish I could share your confidence, sir. But, realistically, outside of nostalgia-tickling (which I hate), what in that trailer looks significantly different from trailers for stuff like Oblivion, Ender's Game, Abram's Star Trek, etc.? I just don't see what people think is setting this apart outside of its brand.

It certainly shares an aesthetic with Star Trek, but we don't really need to discuss the why's of all of that. It does, still however, stand alone in tone and palate from Abram's Trek. These two movies don't look they're happening in the same time and place.

The actions sequences look completely different from Oblivion and especially Ender's Game. The aircraft have weight. Look at the way the wounded Tie-fighter thing falls toward that planet or whatever. My gut fluttered like on a roller-coaster when that X-Wing dove into the smoke. Man! You can feel the motion and the mass of the thing.

Those exploration scenes at the front of the trailer are dripping with mood and tone and history. That's the other thing, I think, more than nostalgia-tickling (which I also hate and love that there's so little of in this, really), those scenes have a real sense of history. I don't know. It just doesn't feel or look anything like those movies you mentioned, other than Trek, but even that isn't quite the same, just obviously Abrams.

Man, what I wouldn't give to see this with strat opening night.

Oh well.

Going to see with another fanboy, though. A very good g*y friend of my wife.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Man, what I wouldn't give to see this with strat opening night.

Oh well.

Going to see with another fanboy, though. A very good g*y friend of my wife.

are you mocking me?

The scene with the Darth's crushed helmet kinda made me cringe. Hokey as fuck and points to what I dislike about JJ. So hamfisted.

McParadigm wrote:

stip wrote:So was that last line in the trailer directed at McP?

Why have I been summoned to this thread? I was trying to let you monkeys be while you seizure and dance.

It's a nice looking trailer. But JJ is great at big shots that translate well to trailers, and none of the things I dislike about him are going to show up in a promo. I think he reduces everything around those big shots. Characters, dialogue, storytelling. They all get cut down to simplest terms. His movies are like nerd Michael Bay.

Now maybe the new screenwriter will help prevent that, but that's an assumption based on a movie that's over 30 years old. We'll see. my expectation of JJ would be that to him, Star Wars is basically the millennium falcon, laser swords, space explosions and a giant planetary weapon. He's a great technician with lots of love in his soul and no talent for telling a tale.

There is some legitimacy in this. Certainly possible that Abrams' shortcomings outweigh his strengths here. We'll have to wait and see when the thing drops. But I'm just talking about what's in that trailer. And it looks very promising. I know you hated his Trek, but I goddamn loved it. And everything I've seen so far makes me believe this will be even better.

Strat wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Man, what I wouldn't give to see this with strat opening night.

Oh well.

Going to see with another fanboy, though. A very good g*y friend of my wife.

are you mocking me?

Opening night is sold out except for 3d and I dont want to see this in 3d right away.

turned2black wrote:The scene with the Darth's crushed helmet kinda made me cringe. Hokey as fuck and points to what I dislike about JJ. So hamfisted.

I can kinda get on board with this, too. If that character is some sort of relic collector then context could help that shot a lot.

But let's also not act like there weren't plenty of hamfisted moments in the OT as well.

durdencommatyler wrote:

turned2black wrote:The scene with the Darth's crushed helmet kinda made me cringe. Hokey as fuck and points to what I dislike about JJ. So hamfisted.

I can kinda get on board with this, too. If that character is some sort of relic collector then context could help that shot a lot.

But let's also not act like there weren't plenty of hamfisted moments in the OT as well.

Kylo Ren is to Vader as what LV is to Kanye

Also, full disclosure: I have only watched this trailer twice. Once on my tiny phone and once on a monitor at work that is too dark and stretches the image slightly.

Strat wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

turned2black wrote:The scene with the Darth's crushed helmet kinda made me cringe. Hokey as fuck and points to what I dislike about JJ. So hamfisted.

I can kinda get on board with this, too. If that character is some sort of relic collector then context could help that shot a lot.

But let's also not act like there weren't plenty of hamfisted moments in the OT as well.

Kylo Ren is to Vader as what LV is to Kanye

As we all are to Stone fucking Gossard.

Are we allowed to talk about theories based on these trailers/posters? Or are we trying to keep speculation out of this thread?

durdencommatyler wrote:Are we allowed to talk about theories based on these trailers/posters? Or are we trying to keep speculation out of this thread?

Speculate away! There's been plenty the past few pages

durdencommatyler wrote: But let's also not act like there weren't plenty of hamfisted moments in the OT as well.

They're filled with them.

I really enjoyed this trailer, it really hit all the notes I'm looking for, and, man that music just grabs me.

EJ wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote: But let's also not act like there weren't plenty of hamfisted moments in the OT as well.

They're filled with them.

I really enjoyed this trailer, it really hit all the notes I'm looking for, and, man that music just grabs me.

I really loved how it LOOKS. It really does feel like live sets, props, real world tangibleness compared to the prequel.

Strat wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Man, what I wouldn't give to see this with strat opening night.

Oh well.

Going to see with another fanboy, though. A very good g*y friend of my wife.

are you mocking me?

what? no! I would love to see this with you. I'm a huge Star Wars nerd.