Red Mosquito

Bi_3 wrote:

96583UP wrote:

A more reasonable view is to improve policing through better incentives / accountability structures. Make those cops afraid to use their guns.

I think we covered this a bit in the cop thread, but I agree. Bernie’s perspective on this, increasing funding and hiring trained specialists, is the best plan I have heard. Make the jobs matter to the cops so they don’t take on aggressive risky behaviors. It seems so obvious that you have to wonder if “Abolish the Police” isn’t really about the police at all.

What is it about?

durdencommatyler wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

96583UP wrote:

A more reasonable view is to improve policing through better incentives / accountability structures. Make those cops afraid to use their guns.

I think we covered this a bit in the cop thread, but I agree. Bernie’s perspective on this, increasing funding and hiring trained specialists, is the best plan I have heard. Make the jobs matter to the cops so they don’t take on aggressive risky behaviors. It seems so obvious that you have to wonder if “Abolish the Police” isn’t really about the police at all.

What is it about?

I have some thoughts, but can we bounce back to identifying the fallacious argument I seem to be making? What was that?

"Abolish the Police' is clearly about supporting the subsequent no-bid contract Blackwater / Re replacement program of heavily-armed social workers

Bi_3 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

96583UP wrote:

A more reasonable view is to improve policing through better incentives / accountability structures. Make those cops afraid to use their guns.

I think we covered this a bit in the cop thread, but I agree. Bernie’s perspective on this, increasing funding and hiring trained specialists, is the best plan I have heard. Make the jobs matter to the cops so they don’t take on aggressive risky behaviors. It seems so obvious that you have to wonder if “Abolish the Police” isn’t really about the police at all.

What is it about?

I have some thoughts, but can we bounce back to identifying the fallacious argument I seem to be making? What was that?

I was awesome from the internet after about 10am. Sorry I didn't respond to this. It deserves more than a sentence so I'll get back to you.

durdencommatyler wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

96583UP wrote:

A more reasonable view is to improve policing through better incentives / accountability structures. Make those cops afraid to use their guns.

I think we covered this a bit in the cop thread, but I agree. Bernie’s perspective on this, increasing funding and hiring trained specialists, is the best plan I have heard. Make the jobs matter to the cops so they don’t take on aggressive risky behaviors. It seems so obvious that you have to wonder if “Abolish the Police” isn’t really about the police at all.

What is it about?

I have some thoughts, but can we bounce back to identifying the fallacious argument I seem to be making? What was that?

I was awesome from the internet after about 10am. Sorry I didn't respond to this. It deserves more than a sentence so I'll get back to you.

You’re awesome everyday. Should we just let this go and spend time doing things that make us happy instead?

96583UP wrote:"Abolish the Police' is clearly about supporting the subsequent no-bid contract Blackwater / Re replacement program of heavily-armed social workers

Your typical HOA can't afford those prices, only the State Dept or a desparate third world dictator can afford those prices.

This could be an opportunity for cartels getting into the protection business in US cities qnd suburbs. They've got a limited presence currently, sure, but its not like the goodfellas exist substantially and are about to go nation wide. Look forward to a future where youthful troublemakers just disappear. (Getting hung from the overpass is bad for property values, but you have to pay a premium to keep things quiet) Far preferrable to the justice system, yeah?

BurtReynolds wrote:
I don't really care what daytime peaceful protestors do. They don't really matter. If they don't care about controlling the supposedly tiny minority (and it's not that tiny) who burn down downtowns, who cares what they think? They're just playing.

Replace peaceful protesters with good cops and tine minority with bad cops

Peeps wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:
I don't really care what daytime peaceful protestors do. They don't really matter. If they don't care about controlling the supposedly tiny minority (and it's not that tiny) who burn down downtowns, who cares what they think? They're just playing.

Replace peaceful protesters with good cops and tine minority with bad cops

Agreed, really. Either all cops and protesters are bastards, or the good ones don't really factor in when dealing with the bad ones. I'm inclined to go with the latter.

Consistency!

"Controlling" was a bad word to use, though. Should have went with "make some meager attempt or at least say something", which is more than they usually do.

BurtReynolds wrote:

Peeps wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:
I don't really care what daytime peaceful protestors do. They don't really matter. If they don't care about controlling the supposedly tiny minority (and it's not that tiny) who burn down downtowns, who cares what they think? They're just playing.

Replace peaceful protesters with good cops and tine minority with bad cops

Agreed, really. Either all cops and protesters are bastards, or the good ones don't really factor in when dealing with the bad ones. I'm inclined to go with the latter.

Consistency!

"Controlling" was a bad word to use, though. Should have went with "make some meager attempt or at least say something", which is more than they usually do.

Wrong thread for this, but the day time peaceful protestors need the nighttime rioters. Otherwise "No Justice No Peace" is an empty threat

Bi_3 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

96583UP wrote:

A more reasonable view is to improve policing through better incentives / accountability structures. Make those cops afraid to use their guns.

I think we covered this a bit in the cop thread, but I agree. Bernie’s perspective on this, increasing funding and hiring trained specialists, is the best plan I have heard. Make the jobs matter to the cops so they don’t take on aggressive risky behaviors. It seems so obvious that you have to wonder if “Abolish the Police” isn’t really about the police at all.

What is it about?

I have some thoughts, but can we bounce back to identifying the fallacious argument I seem to be making? What was that?

I was awesome from the internet after about 10am. Sorry I didn't respond to this. It deserves more than a sentence so I'll get back to you.

You’re awesome everyday. Should we just let this go and spend time doing things that make us happy instead?

BLM should probably train their people on time, place, and manner jurisprudence for movement members that care about the difference between protest and civil disobediance.

Either the 1st Amendment has a commonly understood meaning, or the constitution is a racist document that has no moral weight to invoke.

simple schoolboy wrote:

BLM should probably train their people on time, place, and manner jurisprudence for movement members that care about the difference between protest and civil disobediance.

Either the 1st Amendment has a commonly understood meaning, or the constitution is a racist document that has no moral weight to invoke.

3/5 ring a bell

Also some of the interpretations are a bit dated such as the 2nd. I don’t think the forefathers ever dreamed a gun that could shoot multiple shots in a second

Peeps wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:

BLM should probably train their people on time, place, and manner jurisprudence for movement members that care about the difference between protest and civil disobediance.

Either the 1st Amendment has a commonly understood meaning, or the constitution is a racist document that has no moral weight to invoke.

3/5 ring a bell

Also some of the interpretations are a bit dated such as the 2nd. I don’t think the forefathers ever dreamed a gun that could shoot multiple shots in a second

They lived in a time when private citizens owned cannons and warships.

BurtReynolds wrote:

Peeps wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:

BLM should probably train their people on time, place, and manner jurisprudence for movement members that care about the difference between protest and civil disobediance.

Either the 1st Amendment has a commonly understood meaning, or the constitution is a racist document that has no moral weight to invoke.

3/5 ring a bell

Also some of the interpretations are a bit dated such as the 2nd. I don’t think the forefathers ever dreamed a gun that could shoot multiple shots in a second

They lived in a time when private citizens owned cannons and warships.

neither of which can fire rounds as quickly as today.

I don't want to get bogged down in the hypothetical thoughts of dead men, but I'm pretty sure they were closer to the type that would ask how they could get their hands on a semi-auto weapon, not that it matters.

simple schoolboy wrote:BLM should probably train their people ...

BLM isn't an organization.

It's a decentralized, loose affiliation of people who have a similar point of view about the system disregard for black lives, black standard of living, and/or justice for black victims of racially motivated violence.

They don't have infrastructure, funding, authority, or a single, cohesive strategy or statement of purpose.

this is fucked up.

B wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:BLM should probably train their people ...

BLM isn't an organization.

It's a decentralized, loose affiliation of people who have a similar point of view about the system disregard for black lives, black standard of living, and/or justice for black victims of racially motivated violence.

They don't have infrastructure, funding, authority, or a single, cohesive strategy or statement of purpose.

Is this copy pasta Antifa appologia, because this reads like Antifa appologia.

They have local groups, they organize on social media. I'm sure some of their leadership has attended training on organizing.

Its kind of beside the point as there's no real benefit in their attendees knowing what conduct is lawful. There's no benefit to reduced outrage.

simple schoolboy wrote:

B wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:BLM should probably train their people ...

BLM isn't an organization.

It's a decentralized, loose affiliation of people who have a similar point of view about the system disregard for black lives, black standard of living, and/or justice for black victims of racially motivated violence.

They don't have infrastructure, funding, authority, or a single, cohesive strategy or statement of purpose.

Is this copy pasta Antifa appologia, because this reads like Antifa appologia.

They have local groups, they organize on social media. I'm sure some of their leadership has attended training on organizing.

Its kind of beside the point as there's no real benefit in their attendees knowing what conduct is lawful. There's no benefit to reduced outrage.

It's not an apology. It's just a fact.

A bunch of people who call themselves BLM in Iowa get their hands on some money and create some training or guidelines. They have no way of making the people calling themselves BLM in California of doing the training or following the guidelines. They have no way of making some random dude in Iowa who supports BLM of doing that. In fact, there are people in the next county over who call themselves BLM, and they made their own training, and they say it's better than the first group. There's a group in Texas who thinks BLM supporters should burn down white-owned businesses. There is no organization to say "no, not that. not that. THIS. Do this. If you don't do this, you're not BLM." There's not even an organization to govern what it means to "support" BLM.

Saying "BLM should anything" is preposterous. BLM is a concept. Like God Bless America.

God Bless America should stop killing so many black people, and we'd have a lot less riots.

So it is like Socialism.