Red Mosquito

Bi_3 wrote:Former PM Naftali Bennett explained the Israeli strategy. It’s long, but a good read if you are willing to try to understand what Israel is doing.

The Gaza siege plan
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Siege of Gaza, suffocation of Hamas operatives in tunnels, and occupation of a security strip inside Gaza until Hamas surrenders, the demilitarization of the strip and the release of the abductees.
*Not to act in the way that Hamas expects us to act and prepared for*

*Publicizing the siege plan scares and stresses Hamas leaders and will be a catalyst to bring about results*
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base assumption:
- For 15 years, Hamas prepared a vast tunnel system, an underground state, precisely against the entry of Israeli forces.

- When Hamas carried out Black Sabbath, it was exactly expecting a "cast lead" style ground response and the other operations.

- Hamas is counting on us entering every bunker and every tunnel with tweezers in order to exact a heavy blood price from us.

- Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas want us to invest many forces deep in the Gaza Strip so that we have fewer forces available for another campaign, in the north and also in Judea and Samaria and more.

- Hamas wants us to get involved during the entry, which will force us to cause heavy collateral damage of killing Gazan children, etc., so that the world will force us to stop.

- Hamas has probably removed many assets, including leadership and commanders to the south of the Gaza Strip, leaving simple activists in the north of the Gaza Strip to quarrel with us.
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- ** We must not act according to the expectation of Hamas **
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The siege plan for Hamas in northern Gaza:
1. To surprise *and not go deep into the Gaza Strip as Hamas expects us to do*, but to impose a complete siege on the north of the Gaza Strip, dry up and suffocate the Hamas terrorists in the tunnels until they are forced to leave.
2. To create a new security strip 2 km deep into the territory of the strip along our entire border, a permanent strip. This is through the use of massive firepower and ground forces, and engineering. Imagine bulldozers simply leveling the area.
3. Continuously use firepower on Hamas all over the Strip. Israel conducts a continuous series of targeted ground operations with enormous firepower, to separate neighborhood from neighborhood from Hamas. There is no need to hunt down every Hamasnik in a hole and a tunnel.
4. The residents of Gaza stay in the southern half of the Strip or outside the Strip until the end of the war: when Hamas disarms unilaterally and releases all the hostages. This, of course, according to international law, to preserve their lives. Countries around the world can take in the refugees—temporarily, of course—until Hamas surrenders and the war ends. Between 6 months and 5 years.
5. In the south of the Gaza Strip, humanitarian corridors are allowed, and we allow (but do not give ourselves): water, food, medicine. This is as required by international law.
6. Do not allow any drop of fuel to enter the entire strip. Without fuel there are no tunnels because there is no ventilation and no lighting. Every drop that enters the Gaza Strip goes to Hamas. Fuel = fighting. So not a bit.
7. Strategic patience: make the passing time work in our favor. We have all the time in the world.
8. After initial ground operations, 250,000 military personnel must be released home as soon as possible, in order to release economic-civil pressure, to restore the economy and life to order. We must not just stress ourselves artificially just because we called up 350,000 reservists.
9. Any country in the world that expresses pain over the situation of the refugees in the south is invited to temporarily host refugees (Scotland, Egypt, Turkey, etc.).
10. Avoid collateral damage as much as possible, which could interrupt the Israeli operation before achieving Hamas's surrender.

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Advantages of the program:
- Trickery and surprise: this is exactly the opposite of what Hamas has been preparing for for a decade. Contrary to what he expects us to do. Hamas believes that we have a breathing space of 4-5 weeks inside Gaza and then we will leave, as has always happened in the last decade.

- Dehydrates Hamas operatives. Imagine "Muhammad" a Hamas operative who is currently waiting for us in the tunnel, alert and ready. Under siege, he will be forced to wait for months in his humid tunnel, wet, hungry, depressed, and when the fuel runs out, the tunnel will go dark, and there will be no oxygen: his family may be in the mud in the south of the Gaza Strip or in Egypt or Belgium: what am I doing here?

- transfers the pressure from Israel to Hamas; Passing the lever from Hamas to us. Right now all the leverage is with them. the abductees They will play and play us. This thing turns the bowl and basically the lever goes to us.

- The Hamas leadership will find itself in a dilemma: either Hamas or the state of Gaza. If Sinuar does not disarm he will go down in history as the one who destroyed his country and brought a historical disaster on his people.

- Dramatically reduces the chances of Hezbollah involvement: a. They have no specific trigger to go to war. B. Israeli forces are kept fresh and free to strike in Lebanon.

- A sustainable political line of defense: until the Israelis do not return home, neither will the Gazans return home. Everyone is going home together: Israeli hostages are returning home to Israel, families from the Gaza enclave will return only with the disappearance of Hamas, and the residents of Gaza will also be able to return because the war is over and the danger to their lives has passed.

- The program was tested by DBA experts and meets all the tests of international law.

96583UP wrote:
interdesting

Bi_3 wrote:

96583UP wrote:
interdesting

If Israel holds to this, I don't see how the protests can overcome it without Iran engaging or other large-scale violence in western countries. I suppose Hamas could completely block anyone from leaving and destroy aid... but that would only buy them days until their own people turn on them.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Isn’t that where the hostages mostly are, the tunnels? Listening to some family members speak, it sounds like they think the Israeli government has given up on getting hostages back. That paired with the beheaded festival goer doesn’t bode well for those still missing.

simple schoolboy wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Isn’t that where the hostages mostly are, the tunnels? Listening to some family members speak, it sounds like they think the Israeli government has given up on getting hostages back. That paired with the beheaded festival goer doesn’t bode well for those still missing.

Yeah, probably have written them off.

Supposedly we have a MQ-9 orbiting Gaza. Seems unlikely that platform has superior capabilities to whatever the Israelis have.

Are we just keeping tabs on what the Israelis are doing or...?

96583UP wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Isn’t that where the hostages mostly are, the tunnels? Listening to some family members speak, it sounds like they think the Israeli government has given up on getting hostages back. That paired with the beheaded festival goer doesn’t bode well for those still missing.

Yeah, probably have written them off.

Supposedly we have a MQ-9 orbiting Gaza. Seems unlikely that platform has superior capabilities to whatever the Israelis have.

Are we just keeping tabs on what the Israelis are doing or...?

US is def watching everyone

dimejinky99 wrote:And if they are found IDF likely to say they found them dead and Hamas killed them. As if anyone will buy that.

The Argonaut wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:And if they are found IDF likely to say they found them dead and Hamas killed them. As if anyone will buy that.

I think anyone should buy that. Hamas is not above killing the hostages. I think it's eminently logical to think that Hamas has killed and will kill many of the hundreds of hostages they took. But the truth of what happened to individual hostages will always be clouded by the essentially indiscriminate bombing of Gaza by Israel.
Both things will be true. Hamas will have executed hostages and the IDF will have killed others. Teasing out who is immediately responsible for pulling the trigger or pressing the button for which specific deaths is impossible. But I think it's not beyond reason to think that Hamas has executed some of these hostages. that seems obvious?

dimejinky99 wrote:

The Argonaut wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:And if they are found IDF likely to say they found them dead and Hamas killed them. As if anyone will buy that.

I think anyone should buy that. Hamas is not above killing the hostages. I think it's eminently logical to think that Hamas has killed and will kill many of the hundreds of hostages they took. But the truth of what happened to individual hostages will always be clouded by the essentially indiscriminate bombing of Gaza by Israel.
Both things will be true. Hamas will have executed hostages and the IDF will have killed others. Teasing out who is immediately responsible for pulling the trigger or pressing the button for which specific deaths is impossible. But I think it's not beyond reason to think that Hamas has executed some of these hostages. that seems obvious?

Completely agree. But the families of those taken hostage sort of illustrate your point in a broader sense. No government should not be acting like the scumbag terrorists and trying to almost outdo them with kill counts and shrugging hostages or civilians deaths off as collateral.
I think we all feared for the hostages either way but Hamas seems to be releasing some here n there but IAF are still bombing and IDF now in those tunnels shooting indiscriminately