Red Mosquito

That whole break from 'an echo that rings..' Is excellent.

Why can't Pj write songs that as good as the bridges they have??

No idea.

harmless wrote:I've gone from wondering whether this song is about suicide to wondering whether Newtown / Sandy Hook was in mind as well. Ed speaks of gun control in his interview with... I can't remember. But those lyrics, "Round and round we go, where we stop nobody knows", aren't they children's nursery-rhyme-like? I wondered if they were from Roal Dahl's Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, but I couldn't find any quote. A couple of places mention it being from a nursery rhyme, and being associated with a merry-go-round, but all I can recall is "Round and round the garden...". Does anyone remember where it originates?

That certainly helps ground that lyric.

I'm feeling a little better about Yellow Moon today. It'll still fall out of rotation once new album glow is done, and it still has too many issues, but I'm not resorting to skipping it just yet.

I've yet to skip any of these songs, actually. 3 days and about 10 listens in, that's pretty good going.

stip wrote:

harmless wrote:I've gone from wondering whether this song is about suicide to wondering whether Newtown / Sandy Hook was in mind as well. Ed speaks of gun control in his interview with... I can't remember. But those lyrics, "Round and round we go, where we stop nobody knows", aren't they children's nursery-rhyme-like? I wondered if they were from Roal Dahl's Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, but I couldn't find any quote. A couple of places mention it being from a nursery rhyme, and being associated with a merry-go-round, but all I can recall is "Round and round the garden...". Does anyone remember where it originates?

That certainly helps ground that lyric.

Was it in the Charlie film, do you know?

I don't. I assume they are from some nursery rhyme or another

This one is growing on me alot.

digster wrote:I just think it sounds so lifeless and clinical for a song that seems to be written and performed with such an atmospheric, expansive tone.

I'm not saying there's not problems with the songwriting on the record at all, but I don't see any here. This one was a production issue.

It needs to sound earthly and rustic, like Can't Keep or Hard Sun. 'Clinical' is a good way to describe it.

It's a good song, but it sounds a bit lifeless.

The phrase looks to have originated on this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Original_Amateur_Hour

But apparently became a children's rhyme associated with merry-go-rounds.

lecherouslittlestump wrote:

digster wrote:I just think it sounds so lifeless and clinical for a song that seems to be written and performed with such an atmospheric, expansive tone.

I'm not saying there's not problems with the songwriting on the record at all, but I don't see any here. This one was a production issue.

It needs to sound earthly and rustic, like Can't Keep or Hard Sun. 'Clinical' is a good way to describe it.

It's a good song, but it sounds a bit lifeless.

Hard Sun sounds earthy and rustic? News to me.

lecherouslittlestump wrote:

digster wrote:I just think it sounds so lifeless and clinical for a song that seems to be written and performed with such an atmospheric, expansive tone.

I'm not saying there's not problems with the songwriting on the record at all, but I don't see any here. This one was a production issue.

It needs to sound earthly and rustic, like Can't Keep or Hard Sun. 'Clinical' is a good way to describe it.

It's a good song, but it sounds a bit lifeless.

I don't agree. I think this song is meant to overwhelm the listener. it needs to sound large and expansive and a mournful sort of indifference.

harmless wrote:

lecherouslittlestump wrote:

digster wrote:I just think it sounds so lifeless and clinical for a song that seems to be written and performed with such an atmospheric, expansive tone.

I'm not saying there's not problems with the songwriting on the record at all, but I don't see any here. This one was a production issue.

It needs to sound earthly and rustic, like Can't Keep or Hard Sun. 'Clinical' is a good way to describe it.

It's a good song, but it sounds a bit lifeless.

Hard Sun sounds earthy and rustic? News to me.

I think those are good words to describe how that track sounds.

I think the Roald Dahl thing you guys are thinking of is from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (the epic Gene Wilder version):

There's no earthly way of knowing
Which direction we are going
There's no knowing where we're rowing
Or which way the river's flowing
Is it raining?
Is it snowing?
Is a hurricane a-blowing?
Not a speck of light is showing
So the danger must be growing
Are the fires of hell a-glowing?
Is the grisly reaper mowing?
Yes, the danger must be growing
'Cause the rowers keep on rowing
And they're certainly not showing
Any signs that they are slowing!

The "Round and round and round we go, where we stop, nobody knows" is probably either a maypole or merry-go-round rhyme.

Edit: Or they're from a 50's television show, of course...

theplatypus wrote:

harmless wrote:

lecherouslittlestump wrote:

digster wrote:I just think it sounds so lifeless and clinical for a song that seems to be written and performed with such an atmospheric, expansive tone.

I'm not saying there's not problems with the songwriting on the record at all, but I don't see any here. This one was a production issue.

It needs to sound earthly and rustic, like Can't Keep or Hard Sun. 'Clinical' is a good way to describe it.

It's a good song, but it sounds a bit lifeless.

Hard Sun sounds earthy and rustic? News to me.

I think those are good words to describe how that track sounds.

Why? The drums for example are as overproduced as any on this album. The big echoey overdubbed toms at the end of Lightning Bolt are pretty much lifted from Hard Sun.

Aaaaaaaaaand now I'm going to watch Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.

ABNorman wrote:I think the Roald Dahl thing you guys are thinking of is from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (the epic Gene Wilder version):

There's no earthly way of knowing
Which direction we are going
There's no knowing where we're rowing
Or which way the river's flowing
Is it raining?
Is it snowing?
Is a hurricane a-blowing?
Not a speck of light is showing
So the danger must be growing
Are the fires of hell a-glowing?
Is the grisly reaper mowing?
Yes, the danger must be growing
'Cause the rowers keep on rowing
And they're certainly not showing
Any signs that they are slowing!

The "Round and round and round we go, where we stop, nobody knows" is probably either a maypole or merry-go-round rhyme.

Edit: Or they're from a 50's television show, of course...

All of the above, apparently. But yeah, it's those first few lines of the Wonka song that confused me.

Guys, I just learnt that this song was inspired by one night Ed went to pick up some Chinese for his family, and the massively fat server bent over to pick up his order.

The guy was so heavy, Eddie said it "felt like the Earth was vibrating" whenever he took a step and that his bum "changed shape and shade" as he bent over.

Ed's a racist, guys.

lecherouslittlestump wrote:

digster wrote:I just think it sounds so lifeless and clinical for a song that seems to be written and performed with such an atmospheric, expansive tone.

I'm not saying there's not problems with the songwriting on the record at all, but I don't see any here. This one was a production issue.

It needs to sound earthly and rustic, like Can't Keep or Hard Sun. 'Clinical' is a good way to describe it.

It's a good song, but it sounds a bit lifeless.

Testify.

If this had a warm cosy feel it'd be amazing.

I have to agree, the music is definitely the best part of this song. ed's vocal delivery is feeling rather 'practiced' to me too. did they perform this one live yet? I'd be interested to hear a live version

Yeah, once in Pittsburgh, and also in Buffalo. Should be on Youtube.