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Re: Ghostbusters (2016)
Posted: Mon July 18, 2016 7:42 pm
by Jorge
To me the problem with framing this as some sort of turning point is that Hollywood tends to learn the worst possible lessons from its successes. So instead of "oh cool, this movie turned out a nice profit, let's give more women fleshed-out central roles for big-budget tentpoles", it might be "awesome! Let's make an all-lady Blues Brothers next!"
Re: Ghostbusters (2016)
Posted: Mon July 18, 2016 7:45 pm
by Monkey_Driven
theplatypus wrote:To me the problem with framing this as some sort of turning point is that Hollywood tends to learn the worst possible lessons from its successes. So instead of "oh cool, this movie turned out a nice profit, let's give more women fleshed-out central roles for big-budget tentpoles", it might be "awesome! Let's make an all-lady Blues Brothers next!"
Yup.
Re: Ghostbusters (2016)
Posted: Mon July 18, 2016 7:48 pm
by epilogue
theplatypus wrote:To me the problem with framing this as some sort of turning point is that Hollywood tends to learn the worst possible lessons from its successes. So instead of "oh cool, this movie turned out a nice profit, let's give more women fleshed-out central roles for big-budget tentpoles", it might be "awesome! Let's make an all-lady Blues Brothers next!"
Sure. But I don't have a problem with that. I really don't. It has to start somewhere. And if an all female Blues Brothers is as good as this, so be it. I'd prefer an original idea but it's not gonna happen over night. Whatever steps need to happen.
Re: Ghostbusters (2016)
Posted: Mon July 18, 2016 8:05 pm
by Kaius
The lesson to be learned here is hire Kate McKinnon for everything from here on out.
Re: Ghostbusters (2016)
Posted: Mon July 18, 2016 8:05 pm
by epilogue
Kaius wrote:The lesson to be learned here is hire Kate McKinnon for everything from here on out.

Re: Ghostbusters (2016)
Posted: Mon July 18, 2016 8:06 pm
by epilogue
Melissa McCarthy isn't going to get credit for her work in this because she's not as funny or over the top as others. But her acting work, her actual beat work is on point. She really brings it.
Re: Ghostbusters (2016)
Posted: Mon July 18, 2016 8:13 pm
by Kaius
The only character I wasn't crazy about was the villian. He was a little bland, but maybe that was how he was written--to be forgettable and a "nobody"? Everyone else put in good work. I couldn't get enough of KM, though. Her skills are off the chain.
Re: Ghostbusters (2016)
Posted: Mon July 18, 2016 8:15 pm
by Strat
Would you say this movie is more or less culturally important as Batman vs superman vs everything else
Re: Ghostbusters (2016)
Posted: Mon July 18, 2016 8:17 pm
by Kaius
If they remade Batman vs Superman and recast all major characters as Kate McKinnon there would be no reason to ever make another film.
Re: Ghostbusters (2016)
Posted: Mon July 18, 2016 8:21 pm
by B
Kaius wrote:If they remade Batman vs Superman and recast all major characters as Kate McKinnon there would be no reason to ever make another film.
Obviously.

Re: Ghostbusters (2016)
Posted: Mon July 18, 2016 8:22 pm
by VinylGuy
I havent seen the movie yet, but all those comments on this movie being something ¨important¨ are hilarious.
Re: Ghostbusters (2016)
Posted: Mon July 18, 2016 8:25 pm
by Kaius
B wrote:Kaius wrote:If they remade Batman vs Superman and recast all major characters as Kate McKinnon there would be no reason to ever make another film.
Obviously.

Thank you for your support. What else do you think about Ghostbusters, Kate McKinnon, and stuff like that?
Re: Ghostbusters (2016)
Posted: Mon July 18, 2016 8:25 pm
by Kaius
VinylGuy wrote:I havent seen the movie yet, but all those comments on this movie being something ¨important¨ are hilarious.
It's important to that 30 year old woman that posted about it on Facebook. Didn't you read that?
Re: Ghostbusters (2016)
Posted: Mon July 18, 2016 8:30 pm
by epilogue
VinylGuy wrote:I havent seen the movie yet, but all those comments on this movie being something ¨important¨ are hilarious.
It's not, though. It really matters to people, VG. Maybe not to you. But this has had a signficant impact on women and I think that's awesome. To downplay that negligent and narrow minded.
Re: Ghostbusters (2016)
Posted: Mon July 18, 2016 8:30 pm
by Rangi Guy
So is this worth downloading?
Re: Ghostbusters (2016)
Posted: Mon July 18, 2016 8:31 pm
by MissYouAllDay
This could be Women's Rosa Parks moment.
Re: Ghostbusters (2016)
Posted: Mon July 18, 2016 8:33 pm
by Strat
I was serious about my question though. Mostly, i was just serious at poking fun of our resident millennial hot head
Re: Ghostbusters (2016)
Posted: Mon July 18, 2016 8:40 pm
by B
Kaius wrote:B wrote:Kaius wrote:If they remade Batman vs Superman and recast all major characters as Kate McKinnon there would be no reason to ever make another film.
Obviously.

Thank you for your support. What else do you think about Ghostbusters, Kate McKinnon, and stuff like that?
I don't know. Same stuff as you, probably.
Re: Ghostbusters (2016)
Posted: Mon July 18, 2016 8:44 pm
by VinylGuy
durdencommatyler wrote:VinylGuy wrote:I havent seen the movie yet, but all those comments on this movie being something ¨important¨ are hilarious.
It's not, though. It really matters to people, VG. Maybe not to you. But this has had a signficant impact on women and I think that's awesome. To downplay that negligent and narrow minded.
My feeling is that all this gender drama was pretty much overblown in the media...Im still havent seen the movie, and i will so i can have a better view on it, but im asking to you...is this movie different from any other with woman as leads? Why is this one ¨the important¨ one?
Re: Ghostbusters (2016)
Posted: Mon July 18, 2016 8:47 pm
by epilogue
VinylGuy wrote:durdencommatyler wrote:VinylGuy wrote:I havent seen the movie yet, but all those comments on this movie being something ¨important¨ are hilarious.
It's not, though. It really matters to people, VG. Maybe not to you. But this has had a signficant impact on women and I think that's awesome. To downplay that negligent and narrow minded.
My feeling is that all this gender drama was pretty much overblown in the media...Im still havent seen the movie, and i will so i can have a better view on it, but im asking to you...is this movie different from any other with woman as leads? Why is this one ¨the important¨ one?
Yes it is different. Once again I'll post this to show why it's important:
On Ghostbusters:
I have to say something, I have to, because for the first time in my life I felt something that I had never felt before. I sat in that theatre and though I've been watching movies my entire life I saw and felt something completely new.
It started about an hour in when it really began to sink in that I was watching women being funny, quirky, hysterical even, but not cute. Just hilarious.
Then I noticed that they weren't talking about guys. Not much, a bit here and there, a little joke about Chris Hemsworth peppered in like seasoning, but it wasn't hours of 4 women fighting over him or trying to figure out why they weren't married yet.
And then, the fight sequence at the end. Kate McKinnon just... I sat there gaping. She was badass, WITHOUT BEING SEXUALIZED. She was a woman in coveralls and combat boots with no cleavage or hourglass figure in sight fucking kicking ass and it was so awesome and amazing and for the first time in almost 30 years I saw a woman doing something badass without also being sexy at the same time.
When action sequences always sexualize women, women grow up learning that the things they do are only important if they look good doing them.
I'm almost 30 and last night was the first time I saw a movie where a woman fucking did a thing and was funny without crying into a pint of ice cream and was badass without being a pinup and all I could think was... I really didn't know that was an option. I really didn't know you could save the world without looking like you're trying to pose for Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition at the same time. I have never, in 30 years, seen a major movie that didn't reinforce the message that how I look is more important than what I do.
30 years is way too long.
And that's why it matters.
Go see Ghostbusters. Love it, hate it, I don't care. Go see Ghostbusters. It matters.