Red Mosquito

Birds in Hell wrote:

darth_vedder wrote:Are there any ‘98 versions of No Way?

Only audience recordings.

Ah, bummer. Hopefully a few more ‘98 vault shows surface someday, particularly one with No Way.

No Way has never been very good live.

cutuphalfdead wrote:No Way has never been very good live.

Nope, probably why they rarely play it.

darth_vedder wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

darth_vedder wrote:Are there any ‘98 versions of No Way?

Only audience recordings.

Ah, bummer. Hopefully a few more ‘98 vault shows surface someday, particularly one with No Way.

I'm praying for a Pacific 1998 show (anything besides Melbourne 1998-03-05 obviously). Unfortunately they didn't play No Way until the US tour with Matt. The only time No Way with Jack was captured is a short clip on Single Video Theory.

I like that Low Light from Halifax, but have no issue with the Benaroya version either. Big no on the Wrigley version, though.

Monkey_Driven wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:No Way has never been very good live.

Nope, probably why they rarely play it.

This doesn't sound bad (performance, not actual sound):

darth_vedder wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:No Way has never been very good live.

Nope, probably why they rarely play it.

This doesn't sound bad (performance, not actual sound):

That's the band I remember.

hey i was there, woot

I want a vault release of that show just so we can get a high quality recording of No Way from before the band started to suck.

ducko wrote: Untitled
- Camden 2000-09-02
- Global Citizens 2015-09-26
- West Palm Beach 2003-04-11

I don't believe this should be in the main mix as it wasn't on the original album. Perhaps a B-side list? The Lo2L version is the one for me.

This raises a good point. On the one hand, Untitled is undoubtedly linked to MFC as an intro, and I've always kind of considered it a stand-in for Red dot.

But on the other it was not part of Yield, and so could be considered a B-side to put at the end with Leatherman and U.

I think if I end up choosing Untitled and MFC from the same show they should probably go together, but even if I don't I could easily make them sound nice next to each other with some quick fades (so that they also serve as standalone tracks).

Thoughts?...

ridleybradout wrote:

ducko wrote: Untitled
- Camden 2000-09-02
- Global Citizens 2015-09-26
- West Palm Beach 2003-04-11

I don't believe this should be in the main mix as it wasn't on the original album. Perhaps a B-side list? The Lo2L version is the one for me.

This raises a good point. On the one hand, Untitled is undoubtedly linked to MFC as an intro, and I've always kind of considered it a stand-in for Red dot.

But on the other it was not part of Yield, and so could be considered a B-side to put at the end with Leatherman and U.

I think if I end up choosing Untitled and MFC from the same show they should probably go together, but even if I don't I could easily make them sound nice next to each other with some quick fades (so that they also serve as standalone tracks).

Thoughts?...

I love them together, but it's not a strong opinion. Untitled by itself at the end (or leading into Leatherman) would feel odd, though.

ridleybradout wrote:

ducko wrote: Untitled
- Camden 2000-09-02
- Global Citizens 2015-09-26
- West Palm Beach 2003-04-11

I don't believe this should be in the main mix as it wasn't on the original album. Perhaps a B-side list? The Lo2L version is the one for me.

This raises a good point. On the one hand, Untitled is undoubtedly linked to MFC as an intro, and I've always kind of considered it a stand-in for Red dot.

But on the other it was not part of Yield, and so could be considered a B-side to put at the end with Leatherman and U.

I think if I end up choosing Untitled and MFC from the same show they should probably go together, but even if I don't I could easily make them sound nice next to each other with some quick fades (so that they also serve as standalone tracks).

Thoughts?...

I think you should link them if possible. It's the live stand in for Red Dot.

Also, if you can use L2L Untitled into Melbourne 98 MFC that would be best.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

ridleybradout wrote:

ducko wrote: Untitled
- Camden 2000-09-02
- Global Citizens 2015-09-26
- West Palm Beach 2003-04-11

I don't believe this should be in the main mix as it wasn't on the original album. Perhaps a B-side list? The Lo2L version is the one for me.

This raises a good point. On the one hand, Untitled is undoubtedly linked to MFC as an intro, and I've always kind of considered it a stand-in for Red dot.

But on the other it was not part of Yield, and so could be considered a B-side to put at the end with Leatherman and U.

I think if I end up choosing Untitled and MFC from the same show they should probably go together, but even if I don't I could easily make them sound nice next to each other with some quick fades (so that they also serve as standalone tracks).

Thoughts?...

I think you should link them if possible. It's the live stand in for Red Dot.

Also, if you can use L2L Untitled into Melbourne 98 MFC that would be best.

Yeah, definitely in favour of linking them - it's how they're presented live most of the time (all of the time for Untitled).

bada wrote:

darth_vedder wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:No Way has never been very good live.

Nope, probably why they rarely play it.

This doesn't sound bad (performance, not actual sound):

That's the band I remember.

rimb wrote: Yeah, definitely in favour of linking them - it's how they're presented live most of the time (all of the time for Untitled).

Not quite true actually

ridleybradout wrote:

rimb wrote: Yeah, definitely in favour of linking them - it's how they're presented live most of the time (all of the time for Untitled).

Not quite true actually

Sorry - barely listened to a bootleg post-2006

rimb wrote:

ridleybradout wrote:

rimb wrote: Yeah, definitely in favour of linking them - it's how they're presented live most of the time (all of the time for Untitled).

Not quite true actually

Sorry - barely listened to a bootleg post-2006

A perfectly reasonable year to draw the line


Have a listen to Pilate from San Diego 2000 guys.

It sounds a lot more confident than the two best Europe 2000 versions (Prague and Cardiff), plus it sounds better in comparison with Jeff turned up.

It has a minor lyrical error (drawing in, drawing circles down), but Prague has the same error and Cardiff has a different one (walking up the south marking ground)...

cutuphalfdead wrote: Also, if you can use L2L Untitled into Melbourne 98 MFC that would be best.

Now that might be difficult.

I'm not sure about the Melb 98 MFC - sure it's got Jack, but Ed mangles the first word and Stone's effects in the intro are a bit annoying...

Anyone else besides Chud think this should be chosen over the almighty Camden 2000-09-01 version?

ridleybradout wrote:

rimb wrote:

ridleybradout wrote:

rimb wrote: Yeah, definitely in favour of linking them - it's how they're presented live most of the time (all of the time for Untitled).

Not quite true actually

Sorry - barely listened to a bootleg post-2006

A perfectly reasonable year to draw the line


Have a listen to Pilate from San Diego 2000 guys.

this is good

mray10 wrote:I like that Low Light from Halifax, but have no issue with the Benaroya version either. Big no on the Wrigley version, though.

Halifax is pretty great, though Jeff's voice is a bit too loud for my liking.

Benaroya feels a bit slow and flat to me - not sure.

Columbia 2016-04-21 is actually really good - pretty much flawless musically and vocally, no "fucking calm", and a quieter Jeff

Actually, Bern 2006-09-13 might be the happy medium between earlier and later versions.