Red Mosquito

stip wrote:We wrote up a letter as a message board after Dirty Frank died requesting that they play Long Road at Camden, after all.

That's a very different scenario.

Birds in Hell wrote:

stip wrote:We wrote up a letter as a message board after Dirty Frank died requesting that they play Long Road at Camden, after all.

That's a very different scenario.

And from what I remember the people who were closest to Frank were put off by the whole thing.

Did they actually end up playing it? I can't remember.

While I was not a part of that letter, and would never be, I would certainly argue there's a difference between "We are collectively together because of Pearl Jam, we have become a community, now we have lost one of our own....as our bond was (and to some degree still is) based on the emotional pull of this band, etc etc" and "I suffered a loss recently please play..."

One is a communal release of sorrow through the very thing that brought us together to begin with. The other is...I mean, probably heartfelt, but a little weird and a bizarrely disconnected way to deal with your grief no matter how you slice it.

Well said.

McParadigm wrote:While I was not a part of that letter, and would never be, I would certainly argue there's a difference between "We are collectively together because of Pearl Jam, we have become a community, now we have lost one of our own....as our bond was (and to some degree still is) based on the emotional pull of this band, etc etc" and "I suffered a loss recently please play..."

One is a communal release of sorrow through the very thing that brought us together to begin with. The other is...I mean, probably heartfelt, but a little weird and a bizarrely disconnected way to deal with your grief no matter how you slice it.

The latter is an attention grab.

Maybe Pearl Jam should just fill all their setlists with requests from fans who've ever had someone they love die.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

stip wrote:We wrote up a letter as a message board after Dirty Frank died requesting that they play Long Road at Camden, after all.

That's a very different scenario.

And from what I remember the people who were closest to Frank were put off by the whole thing.

I don't recall ever hearing that. I'm not saying you are wrong, but this is news to me.

Ohh, you mean people on the board? Maybe. But quite a few people who were very close to him were quite supportive of it.

I think the weirdest thing about it is I didn't once question if it was real. it sounds exactly like something someone on that board would do.

Seems like instead of saying "I hope your song gets played", someone should say "dude, maybe you need some help?"

Guys, did they actually play it? I think I remember Ed mentioning him maybe? Or did they just ignore it?

stip wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

stip wrote:We wrote up a letter as a message board after Dirty Frank died requesting that they play Long Road at Camden, after all.

That's a very different scenario.

And from what I remember the people who were closest to Frank were put off by the whole thing.

I don't recall ever hearing that. I'm not saying you are wrong, but this is news to me.

Ohh, you mean people on the board? Maybe. But quite a few people who were very close to him were quite supportive of it.

Yeah I meant on the board. I obviously didn't poll everyone, but I know a few people who were very close to Frank were kind of put off by the whole letter writing thing.

BurtReynolds wrote:Seems like instead of saying "I hope your song gets played", someone should say "dude, maybe you need some help?"

Quite genuinely. We all grieve in different ways but this strikes me as...odd.

WtOB? wrote:Guys, did they actually play it? I think I remember Ed mentioning him maybe? Or did they just ignore it?

it was played on night II, but there was no mention of it, if I recall.

stip wrote:

WtOB? wrote:Guys, did they actually play it? I think I remember Ed mentioning him maybe? Or did they just ignore it?

it was played on night II, but there was no mention of it, if I recall.

It wasn't played.

Guys, this person is probably not making decisions with the same kind of crystal clarity that we, as people who haven't (to my knowledge) just last week endured the devastating deaths of our young spouses, are able to enforce upon his behavior from afar. There's a chance he may look back on this in a number of years and realize how it must have looked to other people, but people become irrational, emotionally supercharged beings in the face of far lesser tragedies than this. Cut this person some slack. I can't imagine being in his shoes at this point in my life.

It's a good job we have Stip and KD around here at times.

Kevin Davis wrote:Guys, this person is probably not making decisions with the same kind of crystal clarity that we, as people who haven't (to my knowledge) just last week endured the devastating deaths of our young spouses, are able to enforce upon his behavior from afar. There's a chance he may look back on this in a number of years and realize how it must have looked to other people, but people become irrational, emotionally supercharged beings in the face of far lesser tragedies than this. Cut this person some slack. I can't imagine being in his shoes at this point in my life.

You're gonna have egg on your face when that guy's arrested for murder, with "song request" listed as the motive.

Goddammit. I went ahead and watched that guy's slideshow and now I'm all sad.

its not so much the guy asking for a song. obviously, the guy is in no position to think clearly. The creepy ass "community" acting like its perfectly normal and trying to petition PJ to play it, with the implication that they would be assholes if they ignored it, is what bugs me. What the fuck is playing Come Back going to accomplish, exactly?

I swear if there is ever a John Lennon type shooting with this band, its gonna come from one of the regulars there. In the best of times they don't seem to have a solid grasp of reality.

BurtReynolds wrote:I swear if there is ever a John Lennon type shooting with this band, its gonna come from one of the regulars there. In the best of times they don't seem to have a solid grasp of reality.