Election 2020

[Rob]

Can you believe these delus ional moderates, LV?

I don't feel like Biden, Obama and Bernie working together to beat Trump is selling out. If there is a better strategy, link me to it.

I have a wildly different take on the potential success of a Biden administration (who, again, I don't think can win), but I agree that Bernie's campaign has not been a failure when judged on a long-term scale. He was a vector for shifting the conversation wildly left and breaking the DNC's neoliberal consensus. That's important.

I just feel like the goal is transitioning from a Trump to Biden admin. The battle doesn't end there, I just feel like if Trump wins again, the progressive agenda is really set back.

I can see that argument--there are definitely changes even a weak Biden administration could make that would help reverse some of the more disastrous Trump effects. I'm thinking especially of a liberal NLRB and what that might mean for collective bargaining rights (given that workplace organizing is probably the best non-electoral strategy available to the left right now). And getting people to go out for Biden means going out for crucial down-ballot races--if the Dems take the Senate it doesn't really matter who's president.

Nobody knows the future, but I do feel like this is the strategy. A "weak" Biden admin is better than any Trump admin.. and has many good outcomes down ballot.

I should be clear, I'm not advocating an alternate strategy, but my suspicion is that these minor executive-branch-driven gains will be wiped out by the conservative backlash in 2024 as the thin veneer of harm reduction offered by a Biden presidency is fully discredited.

Fair enough. The fight should go on. But it begins with getting Trump & McConnell out of power. They are the real obstacles.

[Bammer]

Just stopping by to challenge Burt

*challenges Burt*

[Anders]

That's weird by the mods. This poll is not the same as Burt's at all.

[Bammer]

Mods, good luck getting to sleep at night knowing you pissed off Anders.

Shameful.

[bune]

[epilogue]

[Anders]

Who do you think is going to win the presidential election?

[Anders]

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us ... 020/winner

Trump is leading on the odds so far. But it does seem a little odd that he could win again. Then again, Biden doesn’t feel like a very strong candidate.

[LoathedVermin72]

Trump is going to absolutely demolish Biden

[Mickey]

Doesn't feel odd to me at all. I fully expect Trump to win in November and at this point I can't see anything changing that.

[Hatfield]

Based on 2018, I don't see Trump winning in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania again. He might even lose Ohio. That's the ballgame.

[Bammer]

Based on 2018, I don't see Trump winning in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania again. He might even lose Ohio. That's the ballgame.

Thanks - I was just going to ask.

Assuming the blue states stay blue from 2016 ... which that voted red would need to flip blue for Drumpf to lose?

[tragabigzanda]

FUCK ICE

[Anders]

Trump is going to absolutely demolish Biden

Sad

[Anders]

Based on 2018, I don't see Trump winning in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania again. He might even lose Ohio. That's the ballgame.

I'm not saying I agree with this, because I don't know about the politics of these states well enough to weigh in... But I agree it will all come down to just these states, and maybe TX

Sounds like a flawed system.

[LoathedVermin72]

Based on 2018, I don't see Trump winning in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania again. He might even lose Ohio. That's the ballgame.

I'm not saying I agree with this, because I don't know about the politics of these states well enough to weigh in... But I agree it will all come down to just these states, and maybe TX

Sounds like a flawed system.

You don’t say!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mickey]

Comparing 2018 to 2020 is, sorry, pretty dumb. Clinton lost massively in 94 and still won in 96 against a particularly weak candidate (which Biden is). Midterm elections have little predictive power on national presidential ones.

[Bammer]

Based on 2018, I don't see Trump winning in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania again. He might even lose Ohio. That's the ballgame.

I'm not saying I agree with this, because I don't know about the politics of these states well enough to weigh in... But I agree it will all come down to just these states, and maybe TX

Sounds like a flawed system.

You don’t say!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anders]

Based on 2018, I don't see Trump winning in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania again. He might even lose Ohio. That's the ballgame.

I'm not saying I agree with this, because I don't know about the politics of these states well enough to weigh in... But I agree it will all come down to just these states, and maybe TX

Sounds like a flawed system.

You don’t say!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hopefully something will be done to change it in the future.

[Bammer]

Based on 2018, I don't see Trump winning in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania again. He might even lose Ohio. That's the ballgame.

I'm not saying I agree with this, because I don't know about the politics of these states well enough to weigh in... But I agree it will all come down to just these states, and maybe TX

Sounds like a flawed system.

You don’t say!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hopefully something will be done to change it in the future.

That's it, I'm gonna write a letter.