Red Mosquito

I watched this, finally. It was pretty OK.

My pal who has neve seen Star Wars,any of them, saw it last night and he thought it good overall but it's not a standalone. He said it depends totally on you knowing the universe and at least the near background of the story and it doesn't work at all as a standalone rather it's a total vehicle to what is to follow and fails to stand on its own merits apart from being an exposition heavy trudge to an amazing final sequence. He felt it unbalanced and overall meh and he's not encouraged to watch the OT as a result.

dimejinky99 wrote:My pal who has neve seen Star Wars,any of them, saw it last night and he thought it good overall but it's not a standalone. He said it depends totally on you knowing the universe and at least the near background of the story and it doesn't work at all as a standalone rather it's a total vehicle to what is to follow and fails to stand on its own merits apart from being an exposition heavy trudge to an amazing final sequence. He felt it unbalanced and overall meh and he's not encouraged to watch the OT as a result.

I don't trust anyone who has never seen a Star Wars film.

I have to say, as days go by im more sour with this movie. Its just a failed experience i guess for me.

Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:My pal who has neve seen Star Wars,any of them, saw it last night and he thought it good overall but it's not a standalone. He said it depends totally on you knowing the universe and at least the near background of the story and it doesn't work at all as a standalone rather it's a total vehicle to what is to follow and fails to stand on its own merits apart from being an exposition heavy trudge to an amazing final sequence. He felt it unbalanced and overall meh and he's not encouraged to watch the OT as a result.

I don't trust anyone who has never seen a Star Wars film.

Yeah, and it's not like anyone has REALLY tried to sell these as true standalone films.

@SkitchP wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:My pal who has neve seen Star Wars,any of them, saw it last night and he thought it good overall but it's not a standalone. He said it depends totally on you knowing the universe and at least the near background of the story and it doesn't work at all as a standalone rather it's a total vehicle to what is to follow and fails to stand on its own merits apart from being an exposition heavy trudge to an amazing final sequence. He felt it unbalanced and overall meh and he's not encouraged to watch the OT as a result.

I don't trust anyone who has never seen a Star Wars film.

Yeah, and it's not like anyone has REALLY tried to sell these as true standalone films.

Right.

dimejinky99 wrote:My pal who has neve seen Star Wars,any of them, saw it last night and he thought it good overall but it's not a standalone. He said it depends totally on you knowing the universe and at least the near background of the story and it doesn't work at all as a standalone rather it's a total vehicle to what is to follow and fails to stand on its own merits apart from being an exposition heavy trudge to an amazing final sequence.

He's not really wrong on this point.

wease wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:My pal who has neve seen Star Wars,any of them, saw it last night and he thought it good overall but it's not a standalone. He said it depends totally on you knowing the universe and at least the near background of the story and it doesn't work at all as a standalone rather it's a total vehicle to what is to follow and fails to stand on its own merits apart from being an exposition heavy trudge to an amazing final sequence.

He's not really wrong on this point.

No, one could definitely see the first part of the film being a trudge if they don't have an investment or interest in the world building that is going on.

Yeah, who needs all that character development and visual interest

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Yeah, who needs all that character development and visual interest

Well jokes aside the only comeback I had was that there were some lovely shots that were new to Star Wars and we finally go to see Vader be a killing machine.

Even typing that points how weak a defence this film has to that kind of criticism.
All we learned is to get the most of out of these films you have to know about that universe at least a little .


Lesson for Disney I guess is they have to make them even more accessible to those not interested past a casual awareness of Star Wars. Which is the majority of people.

Which would be shitty for future films quality perhaps

dimejinky99 wrote:Well jokes aside the only comeback I had was that there were some lovely shots that were new to Star Wars and we finally go to see Vader be a killing machine.

Even typing that points how weak a defence this film has to that kind of criticism.
All we learned is to get the most of out of these films you have to know about that universe at least a little .


Lesson for Disney I guess is they have to make them even more accessible to those not interested past a casual awareness of Star Wars. Which is the majority of people.

Which would be shitty for future films quality perhaps

The film did a billion dollars. I think they'll be fine if they keep doing movies that require knowledge of the SW universe.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Well jokes aside the only comeback I had was that there were some lovely shots that were new to Star Wars and we finally go to see Vader be a killing machine.

Even typing that points how weak a defence this film has to that kind of criticism.
All we learned is to get the most of out of these films you have to know about that universe at least a little .


Lesson for Disney I guess is they have to make them even more accessible to those not interested past a casual awareness of Star Wars. Which is the majority of people.

Which would be shitty for future films quality perhaps

The film did a billion dollars. I think they'll be fine if they keep doing movies that require knowledge of the SW universe.

But Dime has his doubts about the film, so I'm sure that will be taken under heavy consideration.

I'm in the story group I need to be in.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Well jokes aside the only comeback I had was that there were some lovely shots that were new to Star Wars and we finally go to see Vader be a killing machine.

Even typing that points how weak a defence this film has to that kind of criticism.
All we learned is to get the most of out of these films you have to know about that universe at least a little .


Lesson for Disney I guess is they have to make them even more accessible to those not interested past a casual awareness of Star Wars. Which is the majority of people.

Which would be shitty for future films quality perhaps

The film did a billion dollars. I think they'll be fine if they keep doing movies that require knowledge of the SW universe.

Has it made a billion?

News to me

dimejinky99 wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Well jokes aside the only comeback I had was that there were some lovely shots that were new to Star Wars and we finally go to see Vader be a killing machine.

Even typing that points how weak a defence this film has to that kind of criticism.
All we learned is to get the most of out of these films you have to know about that universe at least a little .


Lesson for Disney I guess is they have to make them even more accessible to those not interested past a casual awareness of Star Wars. Which is the majority of people.

Which would be shitty for future films quality perhaps

The film did a billion dollars. I think they'll be fine if they keep doing movies that require knowledge of the SW universe.

Has it made a billion?

News to me

It's getting awfully close to it.

dimejinky99 wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Well jokes aside the only comeback I had was that there were some lovely shots that were new to Star Wars and we finally go to see Vader be a killing machine.

Even typing that points how weak a defence this film has to that kind of criticism.
All we learned is to get the most of out of these films you have to know about that universe at least a little .


Lesson for Disney I guess is they have to make them even more accessible to those not interested past a casual awareness of Star Wars. Which is the majority of people.

Which would be shitty for future films quality perhaps

The film did a billion dollars. I think they'll be fine if they keep doing movies that require knowledge of the SW universe.

Has it made a billion?

News to me

Ok, dime, you got me. 900,000,000. Sorry. You are right, they should probably change their approach now.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Well jokes aside the only comeback I had was that there were some lovely shots that were new to Star Wars and we finally go to see Vader be a killing machine.

Even typing that points how weak a defence this film has to that kind of criticism.
All we learned is to get the most of out of these films you have to know about that universe at least a little .


Lesson for Disney I guess is they have to make them even more accessible to those not interested past a casual awareness of Star Wars. Which is the majority of people.

Which would be shitty for future films quality perhaps

The film did a billion dollars. I think they'll be fine if they keep doing movies that require knowledge of the SW universe.

Has it made a billion?

News to me

Ok, dime, you got me. 900,000,000. Sorry. You are right, they should probably change their approach now.

if the new approach is more chopper, im totes in.

Calm down kids. It's a stressful time forcall of us.



How about a Star Wars nights series where Chopper is a serial killer droid and swears constantly

dimejinky99 wrote:Calm down kids. It's a stressful time forcall of us.



How about a Star Wars nights series where Chopper is a serial killer droid and swears constantly

Pretty sure he does anyway.