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Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 12, 2013 8:28 pm
by Thenews15
All I know about Matt Cameron is that he is the drummer for Pearl Jam AND Soundgarden. That's pretty impressive, they are 2 of the most popular bands of the past 25 years. That's a solid resume. Now, popular doesn't always mean best but that's pretty good.
That being said, I always found hes drumming in PJ to be a little dull, like the sound of his snare to me is a dull sound. He seems like a different drummer for SG. I'm not a drummer at all, this is just from my naive ears but that's what I hear. Doesn't drive the fast songs if that makes sense. But I'm happy he's in the band, they could do a lot worse. His stamina is impressive. I think we can all agree on that one. This year his been touring non-stop more or less, switching from SG to PJ. That can't be easy at 50+years old. Props for that.
On a side note, what if "Where's the Sponge" is that ambiant intro in the tour video and is just a little instrumental so the title was just a place holder. Maybe Mike's wife was cleaning while he was recording it in his house and she was like, "Honey, where's the sponge?" thus the name of the song? Hey, it's possible.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 12, 2013 8:37 pm
by B
I don't find myself very critical of Matt's drumming, but I did love the music Pearl Jam put out with Abruzzesseessee and Irons more than what they've put out since them. I'm sure some of that is their influence in the writing, but I doubt it's all that and it's not like I hate Pearl Jam's music now, so I don't claim Matt to be the downfall of Pearl Jam.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 12, 2013 8:46 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
I know my opinion on the drummers is a minority here. And I don't want to derail this thread into another drummer discussion, but for me it's Abruzesse -> Cameron -> Irons. That is purely for the drumming. I rank Matt higher overall though because of his songwriting contributions.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 12, 2013 8:47 pm
by Lounge Lizard
Thenews15 wrote:
On a side note, what if "Where's the Sponge" is that ambiant intro in the tour video and is just a little instrumental so the title was just a place holder. Maybe Mike's wife was cleaning while he was recording it in his house and she was like, "Honey, where's the sponge?" thus the name of the song? Hey, it's possible.
I just compaired london soundcheck and the intro - they are in the same key, i'm hearing the same notes. The intro is probasbly a fragment of the london soundcheck played slowly.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 12, 2013 8:49 pm
by mastaflatch
what's that intro you guys are talking about?
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 12, 2013 8:54 pm
by stupidmop
Lounge Lizard wrote:Thenews15 wrote:
On a side note, what if "Where's the Sponge" is that ambiant intro in the tour video and is just a little instrumental so the title was just a place holder. Maybe Mike's wife was cleaning while he was recording it in his house and she was like, "Honey, where's the sponge?" thus the name of the song? Hey, it's possible.
I just compaired london soundcheck and the intro - they are in the same key, i'm hearing the same notes. The intro is probasbly a fragment of the london soundcheck played slowly.
Someone said it sounded like CC too, but I haven't checked. And it may have just been wishful thinking.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 12, 2013 8:56 pm
by Lounge Lizard
stupidmop wrote:Lounge Lizard wrote:Thenews15 wrote:
On a side note, what if "Where's the Sponge" is that ambiant intro in the tour video and is just a little instrumental so the title was just a place holder. Maybe Mike's wife was cleaning while he was recording it in his house and she was like, "Honey, where's the sponge?" thus the name of the song? Hey, it's possible.
I just compaired london soundcheck and the intro - they are in the same key, i'm hearing the same notes. The intro is probasbly a fragment of the london soundcheck played slowly.
Someone said it sounded like CC too, but I haven't checked. And it may have just been wishful thinking.
no, not CC
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 12, 2013 8:56 pm
by stupidmop
mastaflatch wrote:what's that intro you guys are talking about?
It's on the first post of the tour thread.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 12, 2013 8:56 pm
by Lounge Lizard
mastaflatch wrote:what's that intro you guys are talking about?
search youtube for pearl jam tour 2013
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 12, 2013 8:58 pm
by mastaflatch
oh thanks! i totally forgot about this.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 12, 2013 9:03 pm
by dimejinky99
B? Stip? Is there an official count somewhere detailing how many threads have descended into the abyss of the drummer debate? It'll always be a hot topic but I just wondered is there a count somewhere.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 12, 2013 9:15 pm
by stip
dimejinky99 wrote:B? Stip? Is there an official count somewhere detailing how many threads have descended into the abyss of the drummer debate? It'll always be a hot topic but I just wondered is there a count somewhere.
we lack the training in theoretical mathematics calculate this.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 12, 2013 9:15 pm
by stip
also,
E.H. Ruddock wrote:I know my opinion on the drummers is a minority here. And I don't want to derail this thread into another drummer discussion, but for me it's Abruzesse -> Cameron -> Irons. That is purely for the drumming. I rank Matt higher overall though because of his songwriting contributions.
I agree
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 12, 2013 9:18 pm
by B
dimejinky99 wrote:B? Stip? Is there an official count somewhere detailing how many threads have descended into the abyss of the drummer debate? It'll always be a hot topic but I just wondered is there a count somewhere.
73
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 12, 2013 9:38 pm
by Strat
E.H. Ruddock wrote:I know my opinion on the drummers is a minority here. And I don't want to derail this thread into another drummer discussion, but for me it's Abruzesse -> Cameron -> Irons. That is purely for the drumming. I rank Matt higher overall though because of his songwriting contributions.
Matt is awesome and everyone else is a fucking moron.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 12, 2013 9:41 pm
by dimejinky99
B wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:B? Stip? Is there an official count somewhere detailing how many threads have descended into the abyss of the drummer debate? It'll always be a hot topic but I just wondered is there a count somewhere.
73
You're missin some zeros at the end there bro
But thank you though.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 12, 2013 9:51 pm
by B
dimejinky99 wrote:B wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:B? Stip? Is there an official count somewhere detailing how many threads have descended into the abyss of the drummer debate? It'll always be a hot topic but I just wondered is there a count somewhere.
73
You're missin some zeros at the end there bro
we lack the training in theoretical mathematics calculate this.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 12, 2013 9:54 pm
by Thejambi
Strat wrote:E.H. Ruddock wrote:I know my opinion on the drummers is a minority here. And I don't want to derail this thread into another drummer discussion, but for me it's Abruzesse -> Cameron -> Irons. That is purely for the drumming. I rank Matt higher overall though because of his songwriting contributions.
Matt is awesome and everyone else is a fucking moron.
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 12, 2013 10:05 pm
by dimejinky99
B wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:B wrote:dimejinky99 wrote:B? Stip? Is there an official count somewhere detailing how many threads have descended into the abyss of the drummer debate? It'll always be a hot topic but I just wondered is there a count somewhere.
73
You're missin some zeros at the end there bro
we lack the training in theoretical mathematics calculate this.
So the green boaty doohickey up top? Is that to measure how much people don't like lightning bolt before its out, and everyone else?
Re: Lightning Bolt - October 15
Posted: Mon August 12, 2013 10:12 pm
by harmless
Farmer John wrote:harmless wrote:stupidmop wrote:harmless wrote:Farmer John wrote:harmless wrote:Those aren't the best songs at all! They're the best covers.
I wish he'd used Waving Palms as a blueprint for FD. I would say I hope he uses it again but I don't want another Ed song on the record. That feels a little risky to say because I don't really want another Mike song either.
harmless wrote:To be honest I don't care who writes the music
Make up your mind!
I'm referring to the lyrics. I don't want Ed or Mike writing lyrics all over the album. I don't consider the music 'the song', it's just the music.
Who's lyrics would you prefer over Eds ?
I've got no idea. Basically, any of them are fine when they're writing well. Ideally I'd probably ask for an instrumental album. But then we're left with Matt being too distracting. So all in all, they've not left us with many choices.
Now you're just being silly.
Yes, I was being silly. An instrumental album would be no good from Pearl Jam. I was using hyperbole. My overall point is that good music can make a good song a classic, but bad lyrics can totally ruin a song with a sound musical basis.