Red Mosquito

Mecca wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Mecca wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Where she ends up in aDwD is amazing. But we didn't need an entire book of sitting around and being a suddenly indecisive, cock-whipped, little baby girl with now will or power to get us there. GRRM spun his wheels WAY too much in that book. He took away everything Dany had earned and turned her into a dipshit, lovelorn, idiot with no leadership ability whatsoever. He completely retconned her. It was easily the most frustrating aspect of the entire series so far.

Maybe reading the fan-approved super edit of Books 4 & 5 somehow helps that feel less like a betrayal. I can't speak to that. But the fact remains that he didn't publish his story that way. As it stands, as the author's intent, the book robs Dany of her personality and power and agency until the final two or three chapters. It's completely shitty.

The show forgoes all of that nonsense and streamlines it. The show handles Dany way better. It's one of the few things the show absolutely fixes from the novels.

to be fair, Dany is a very young girl in the books and a young woman in the show

Yeah, but if that's your argument, how do you explain how fucking clearly badass and advanced she is as early as book 2? That's what bothers me about Book 5, the digression. The devolution. She'd already advanced to a certain, specific point. And just because GRRM couldn't figure out how to get from A to B, he totally spun his wheels and went completely against the character he'd created so that he could force something into place. To me, that's just bad writing.

wasn't the point of meereen her trial at ruling? i think if anything he was dealing with the fact that this kid, who is smart and means well, is not just naturally good at doing everything. As a realistic human, she deserved to make wrong choices time and again, but as far as we can gather from where the books left off and where the show picks up, she does learn from them.

Mecca wrote:joey, you don't actually believe that good soldiers make good kings?

durdencommatyler wrote:

Mecca wrote:joey, you don't actually believe that good soldiers make good kings?

Um, Mecca, you don't think Dany is a good soldier do you?

durdencommatyler wrote:ANSWER MY QUESTION MECCA AND STOP USING THE SHOW TO REFERENCE AND DEFEND THE NOVELS

cutuphalfdead wrote:Renly's a piece of shit btw.

Mecca wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:ANSWER MY QUESTION MECCA AND STOP USING THE SHOW TO REFERENCE AND DEFEND THE NOVELS

my answer is no, because i was quoting the show. She's a conqueror, breaker of chains. I also don't think good conquerors make good kings, just like tywin says about robert in the scene i linked above.

Mecca wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:Renly's a piece of shit btw.

he should've sided with Stannis and accepted being named his heir. Typical little brother syndrome

cutuphalfdead wrote:I think it's possible that a good conquerer could also be a good king. The characters aren't that two dimensional.

Mecca wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:I think it's possible that a good conquerer could also be a good king. The characters aren't that two dimensional.

true, but that would take some learning and humility to transition from conquerer to a good ruler. I think we could take it on a case by case basis. I think Aegon the Unlikely would've been good at both, but he had the benefit of living as one of the smallfolk through his squiring

durdencommatyler wrote:

Mecca wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:ANSWER MY QUESTION MECCA AND STOP USING THE SHOW TO REFERENCE AND DEFEND THE NOVELS

my answer is no, because i was quoting the show. She's a conqueror, breaker of chains. I also don't think good conquerors make good kings, just like tywin says about robert in the scene i linked above.

Being a conqueror is different than being a soldier, though. So you're asking different questions.

Mecca wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Mecca wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:ANSWER MY QUESTION MECCA AND STOP USING THE SHOW TO REFERENCE AND DEFEND THE NOVELS

my answer is no, because i was quoting the show. She's a conqueror, breaker of chains. I also don't think good conquerors make good kings, just like tywin says about robert in the scene i linked above.

Being a conqueror is different than being a soldier, though. So you're asking different questions.

joey, you're focusing too much on a reference from the show that i shoehorned into the conversation. it was meant to be a funny "ha i remember that and its kind of a tangent to this conversation" but i was using soldier and conqueror interchangably because thats my choice as being "that reference guy"