Red Mosquito

godeatgod wrote:

tommymtcom wrote:

godeatgod wrote:

tommymtcom wrote:I found a Tribe Called Quest CD in a rental car one time and really enjoyed it. I also own one Mos Def album and a Black Star album. I need some guidance.

if you like Blackstar you're already ahead of the game

you might like lupe,

Thanks Geg, I'll listen to this when I get home.

If I like it will you take me under your wing?

i like a lot of hood music but sure

Kevin Davis wrote:I hope my post didn't come across the wrong way, dct -- growing up I felt much the same way that many rock fans feel about sampling in hip-hop (ultimately that the artists were "stealing" other people's songs for lack of their own skill -- for some reason, I remember this mindset really taking hold when Puff Daddy released that song "I'll Be Missing You" that heavily interpolated The Police's "Every Breath You Take"), but once I really took the time to immerse myself in the medium, I began to learn how specialized a skill it is on its own, and what a misconception it is to assume that the only reason an artist would choose to sample another artist's work is because they were "untalented" and probably secretly ashamed of their inability to play the instruments themselves.

I remember once listening to a Van Morrison compilation and hearing Them's cover of Dylan's "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue," which I had never heard but sounded vaguely familiar -- I soon realized that the Morrison recording basically comprised the entire backing track for Beck's "Jackass," a song I had known for years and had always assumed had been played by a live band. And certainly Beck wasn't someone I was about to accuse of not having the talent to play his own instruments -- he plays more than most. The Beastie Boys and The Roots are two more well-respected groups who are proficient on their instruments but sample(d) liberally. Figure there has to be something attractive about it as a creative tool that allows even instrumentally proficient artists like Beck to speak in a language they otherwise couldn't -- I mean, if it was commonly understood as an inferior way of doing things, certainly guys like Kanye could afford to hire a live band.

Anyway, I will shut up now. If there's room for one more, I'll cozy up for Zeppelin bootleg time too...

verb_to_trust wrote:

theplatypus wrote:I feel like I should point out that mastering samples on ableton and protools and the like is more complicated/challenging than most musical instruments, so I don't know if there's much to that laziness accusation.

Good point. I played Pro Tools in my high school band.

Alex wrote:i like led zeppelin and kanye west. what should i do?

Strat wrote:I attempted listening to my beautiful dark twisted fantasy on the way to work this morning. I enjoyed the first track. The subsequent 3 stressed me out so i put on Atmosphere "When life gives you lemons" and had a great time.

Kevin Davis wrote:I hope my post didn't come across the wrong way, dct -- growing up I felt much the same way that many rock fans feel about sampling in hip-hop (ultimately that the artists were "stealing" other people's songs for lack of their own skill -- for some reason, I remember this mindset really taking hold when Puff Daddy released that song "I'll Be Missing You" that heavily interpolated The Police's "Every Breath You Take"), but once I really took the time to immerse myself in the medium, I began to learn how specialized a skill it is on its own, and what a misconception it is to assume that the only reason an artist would choose to sample another artist's work is because they were "untalented" and probably secretly ashamed of their inability to play the instruments themselves.

I remember once listening to a Van Morrison compilation and hearing Them's cover of Dylan's "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue," which I had never heard but sounded vaguely familiar -- I soon realized that the Morrison recording basically comprised the entire backing track for Beck's "Jackass," a song I had known for years and had always assumed had been played by a live band. And certainly Beck wasn't someone I was about to accuse of not having the talent to play his own instruments -- he plays more than most. The Beastie Boys and The Roots are two more well-respected groups who are proficient on their instruments but sample(d) liberally. Figure there has to be something attractive about it as a creative tool that allows even instrumentally proficient artists like Beck to speak in a language they otherwise couldn't -- I mean, if it was commonly understood as an inferior way of doing things, certainly guys like Kanye could afford to hire a live band.

Anyway, I will shut up now. If there's room for one more, I'll cozy up for Zeppelin bootleg time too...

LoathedVermin72 wrote:I can totally see why you would feel that way. It's an aggressively abrasive album that I could easily see coming off as annoying. But I love that noisy, minimal intensity. I love the almost disjointed beats and rapping. It sounds wrong, which is so right for what it's doing.

durdencommatyler wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:I can totally see why you would feel that way. It's an aggressively abrasive album that I could easily see coming off as annoying. But I love that noisy, minimal intensity. I love the almost disjointed beats and rapping. It sounds wrong, which is so right for what it's doing.

That's the thing, though. It ISN'T very aggressive. People keep saying it's so minimal and aggressive, comparing it to things like In Utero in it's rawness and aggression. But I don't hear that. It's so manufactured and manipulative and soulless. It's bad acting.

It is abrasive, I'll give it that. But not in a good way or interesting way. And probably not in the way he thinks/intended.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:I can totally see why you would feel that way. It's an aggressively abrasive album that I could easily see coming off as annoying. But I love that noisy, minimal intensity. I love the almost disjointed beats and rapping. It sounds wrong, which is so right for what it's doing.

That's the thing, though. It ISN'T very aggressive. People keep saying it's so minimal and aggressive, comparing it to things like In Utero in it's rawness and aggression. But I don't hear that. It's so manufactured and manipulative and soulless. It's bad acting.

It is abrasive, I'll give it that. But not in a good way or interesting way. And probably not in the way he thinks/intended.

Hmm. To be honest, I really don't see where you're coming from here. How is anything about it "manufactured" or "manipulative"? Because the production is refined and precise? I'm also not sure what makes you think the album plays differently than Kanye intended.

I'm not sure I would call it "raw" or compare to In Utero. This is aggressive and minimal, but again, it's very precise. It's not messy like that album.