Red Mosquito

Ms Harmless wrote:fuck Trump, I'm OK that he complicates potentially "commercial" songs with some backbone

digster wrote:Trump is barely a part of Quick Escape; he's mentioned almost as an aside.

I'm not as big a fan of the 7:00 line, but that's more because I think the line is kind of silly, rather than the fact that political content is included. Politics is certainly fair game for song content, in the same way love, religion, death, sex, or anything else is.

EJ wrote:Those Trump references don't bother me at all.

The one line that does take me out of a song on this album is in River Cross:

"While the government thrives on discontent"

Really wish Ed found something else to use in place of that one.

Ms Harmless wrote:I don't mind the direct government reference but I think there could be a less weak sauce word than "discontent", from a guy who's Thing is doublespeak and propaganda; something like "disinformation" is too long but that's the kind of meaning I want there; it just feels like at the moment the line says "as the government thrives on making people sad", which is true, but not very specific and I think specificity is one thing that makes poetry poetry

Ms Harmless wrote:I don't mind the direct government reference but I think there could be a less weak sauce word than "discontent", from a guy who's Thing is doublespeak and propaganda; something like "disinformation" is too long but that's the kind of meaning I want there; it just feels like at the moment the line says "as the government thrives on making people sad", which is true, but not very specific and I think specificity is one thing that makes poetry poetry

EJ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:I don't mind the direct government reference but I think there could be a less weak sauce word than "discontent", from a guy who's Thing is doublespeak and propaganda; something like "disinformation" is too long but that's the kind of meaning I want there; it just feels like at the moment the line says "as the government thrives on making people sad", which is true, but not very specific and I think specificity is one thing that makes poetry poetry

Scrap the whole line. It's awful. Put a "hee-heeeeeee" in instead.

Kevin Davis wrote:Weirdly, despite thinking the lyrics in "Seven O'Clock" are generally a little clumsy and hamfisted, I really like the Sitting Bullshit line -- it displays a cleverness rarely present in Pearl Jam lyrics, and the repeated use of word "sitting" has an emphatic effect. The line in "Quick Escape" doesn't stand out to me -- like McP says, it kind of flies by in a song where the lyrics aren't really front and center. There are other lyrics on the album that bug me a lot more than these two.

durdencommatyler wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:I don't mind the direct government reference but I think there could be a less weak sauce word than "discontent", from a guy who's Thing is doublespeak and propaganda; something like "disinformation" is too long but that's the kind of meaning I want there; it just feels like at the moment the line says "as the government thrives on making people sad", which is true, but not very specific and I think specificity is one thing that makes poetry poetry

I mean "discontent" is more accurate than "making people sad" though. Disinformation, while I take your point, also isn't what this administration is after either. Disinformation is a means to an end: discontent.

Division is maybe the most accurate word but it also doesn't quite ring in the line. Still, I hear you and I agree.

Ms Harmless wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:I don't mind the direct government reference but I think there could be a less weak sauce word than "discontent", from a guy who's Thing is doublespeak and propaganda; something like "disinformation" is too long but that's the kind of meaning I want there; it just feels like at the moment the line says "as the government thrives on making people sad", which is true, but not very specific and I think specificity is one thing that makes poetry poetry

I mean "discontent" is more accurate than "making people sad" though. Disinformation, while I take your point, also isn't what this administration is after either. Disinformation is a means to an end: discontent.

Division is maybe the most accurate word but it also doesn't quite ring in the line. Still, I hear you and I agree.

they want to push capitalist and fascist policy, making some people discontent and others extremely happy, and Ed is usually better at saying that

what if he just went "mmmm-mmmm-mmmm-mmmm-mmmm-mmmm-hee-hee! and there's no such thing as clear" (actually it's that second line that made me think "disinformation / doublespeak / deliberate obfuscation" was what he was getting at)

e.g. Boris' latest statement about Covid precautions was deliberately vague and nonsensical so that when people interpret them however they want and loads of people die, the government can blame us instead of their leadership

durdencommatyler wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:I don't mind the direct government reference but I think there could be a less weak sauce word than "discontent", from a guy who's Thing is doublespeak and propaganda; something like "disinformation" is too long but that's the kind of meaning I want there; it just feels like at the moment the line says "as the government thrives on making people sad", which is true, but not very specific and I think specificity is one thing that makes poetry poetry

I mean "discontent" is more accurate than "making people sad" though. Disinformation, while I take your point, also isn't what this administration is after either. Disinformation is a means to an end: discontent.

Division is maybe the most accurate word but it also doesn't quite ring in the line. Still, I hear you and I agree.

they want to push capitalist and fascist policy, making some people discontent and others extremely happy, and Ed is usually better at saying that

what if he just went "mmmm-mmmm-mmmm-mmmm-mmmm-mmmm-hee-hee! and there's no such thing as clear" (actually it's that second line that made me think "disinformation / doublespeak / deliberate obfuscation" was what he was getting at)

e.g. Boris' latest statement about Covid precautions was deliberately vague and nonsensical so that when people interpret them however they want and loads of people die, the government can blame us instead of their leadership

Double-speak is good. And carries a nice history/reference with it. I like that.

Ms Harmless wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:I don't mind the direct government reference but I think there could be a less weak sauce word than "discontent", from a guy who's Thing is doublespeak and propaganda; something like "disinformation" is too long but that's the kind of meaning I want there; it just feels like at the moment the line says "as the government thrives on making people sad", which is true, but not very specific and I think specificity is one thing that makes poetry poetry

I mean "discontent" is more accurate than "making people sad" though. Disinformation, while I take your point, also isn't what this administration is after either. Disinformation is a means to an end: discontent.

Division is maybe the most accurate word but it also doesn't quite ring in the line. Still, I hear you and I agree.

they want to push capitalist and fascist policy, making some people discontent and others extremely happy, and Ed is usually better at saying that

what if he just went "mmmm-mmmm-mmmm-mmmm-mmmm-mmmm-hee-hee! and there's no such thing as clear" (actually it's that second line that made me think "disinformation / doublespeak / deliberate obfuscation" was what he was getting at)

e.g. Boris' latest statement about Covid precautions was deliberately vague and nonsensical so that when people interpret them however they want and loads of people die, the government can blame us instead of their leadership

Double-speak is good. And carries a nice history/reference with it. I like that.

ooooh yes it's the right number of syllables too

durdencommatyler wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:I don't mind the direct government reference but I think there could be a less weak sauce word than "discontent", from a guy who's Thing is doublespeak and propaganda; something like "disinformation" is too long but that's the kind of meaning I want there; it just feels like at the moment the line says "as the government thrives on making people sad", which is true, but not very specific and I think specificity is one thing that makes poetry poetry

I mean "discontent" is more accurate than "making people sad" though. Disinformation, while I take your point, also isn't what this administration is after either. Disinformation is a means to an end: discontent.

Division is maybe the most accurate word but it also doesn't quite ring in the line. Still, I hear you and I agree.

they want to push capitalist and fascist policy, making some people discontent and others extremely happy, and Ed is usually better at saying that

what if he just went "mmmm-mmmm-mmmm-mmmm-mmmm-mmmm-hee-hee! and there's no such thing as clear" (actually it's that second line that made me think "disinformation / doublespeak / deliberate obfuscation" was what he was getting at)

e.g. Boris' latest statement about Covid precautions was deliberately vague and nonsensical so that when people interpret them however they want and loads of people die, the government can blame us instead of their leadership

Double-speak is good. And carries a nice history/reference with it. I like that.

ooooh yes it's the right number of syllables too

We fixed it!

Well... you fixed it.

Ms Harmless wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:I don't mind the direct government reference but I think there could be a less weak sauce word than "discontent", from a guy who's Thing is doublespeak and propaganda; something like "disinformation" is too long but that's the kind of meaning I want there; it just feels like at the moment the line says "as the government thrives on making people sad", which is true, but not very specific and I think specificity is one thing that makes poetry poetry

I mean "discontent" is more accurate than "making people sad" though. Disinformation, while I take your point, also isn't what this administration is after either. Disinformation is a means to an end: discontent.

Division is maybe the most accurate word but it also doesn't quite ring in the line. Still, I hear you and I agree.

they want to push capitalist and fascist policy, making some people discontent and others extremely happy, and Ed is usually better at saying that

what if he just went "mmmm-mmmm-mmmm-mmmm-mmmm-mmmm-hee-hee! and there's no such thing as clear" (actually it's that second line that made me think "disinformation / doublespeak / deliberate obfuscation" was what he was getting at)

e.g. Boris' latest statement about Covid precautions was deliberately vague and nonsensical so that when people interpret them however they want and loads of people die, the government can blame us instead of their leadership

Double-speak is good. And carries a nice history/reference with it. I like that.

ooooh yes it's the right number of syllables too

We fixed it!

Well... you fixed it.

you had to be my Yes Man