Red Mosquito

Ms Harmless wrote:a few of those are in 6/8 but not strictly waltzes to me, which are made waltzes by particular emphasis on the 3 and 6 of each bar (in this case on that phat snare)

1-2-*3*
ooon the

4-5-*6*
eeeedge

1-2-*3*
wiiiindow

4-5-*6*
siiiill etc.

on a straight 6/8 groove you'd have one snare on each 4th beat

So like "Come Back?"

one-two-three-ONE-two-three

I always count waltzes in my head as one-TWO-THREE-one-TWO-THREE, like Leonard Cohen's "Take This Waltz." (which I see is exactly what you said in your follow-up post)

This might be why I am a terrible dancer.

When I do this exercise in my mind, I count one-TWO-THREE-one-TWO-THREE on songs like "Deep" and "Red Mosquito" and "Half Full" in the same way, though the songs have a much different aesthetic obviously. Maybe it's a matter of the signatures being the same but the emphases being different? As you can see I am not a drummer

Kevin Davis wrote:Maybe it's a matter of the signatures being the same but the emphases being different? As you can see I am not a drummer

yes, exactly; 6/8 is a signature, waltz is a "feel"

I think there are Pearl Jam songs that have waltz in the melodic instrumental but not in the drums, which I'm primarily hearing when I listen to anything; so if I recall, a song like "Low Light" starts to *really* "waltz" when the keys start hitting those *-2-3, *-2-3, *-2-3 stabs during the outro, but the drums continue on that typical 6/8; that might be why you (or anyone more likely to sonically hone in on guitar or keys than me) hears a stronger waltz in it than I do

I've come to think time signatures are a bit of a scam really lol, it's all about having a shared language to communicate the "feel" to the other players; if you're doing that you're golden

Ms Harmless wrote:that might be why you (or anyone more likely to sonically hone in on guitar or keys than me) hears a stronger waltz in it than I do

Yes, that is absolutely true; as a guitar player, if I was playing something like "Low Light," it would roughly feel like:

root note / CHORD / CHORD
root note / CHORD / CHORD

...with the emphasis on the 2's and 3's.

That's always the exercise I do in my mind, i.e. does this pattern fit the time signature, which is probably an oversimplification.

Appreciate the conversation, I enjoy stuff like this!

Kevin Davis wrote:Stone's main guitar part in "Garden" is probably my favorite thing about Ten. A really lovely pattern.

Yep, it’s one of my favorite parts of any song they’ve made. I’m trying to think of other songs that feature Stone finger picking. Off the top of my head “Release” “Parachutes” and that killer intro to “Let the Records Play” come to mind. What else?

Kevin Davis wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:that might be why you (or anyone more likely to sonically hone in on guitar or keys than me) hears a stronger waltz in it than I do

Yes, that is absolutely true; as a guitar player, if I was playing something like "Low Light," it would roughly feel like:

root note / CHORD / CHORD
root note / CHORD / CHORD

...with the emphasis on the 2's and 3's.

That's always the exercise I do in my mind, i.e. does this pattern fit the time signature, which is probably an oversimplification.

Appreciate the conversation, I enjoy stuff like this!

bingo! no problem, me too

I do wonder what the track list for a Lost Dogs 2 would look like. Hope it happens.

tragabigzanda wrote:The arpeggiated C chord in wishlist

Nice. Just listened. That one had never really stuck out to me.

Ms Harmless wrote:

stip wrote:Team Anders

Vinyl roulette - picked this one today. Haven't listened to this in years - it's a great album

listening to this right now

it's absolutely amazing, but you can hear the seed, the origin, the Big Bang even, of spritz

Down is so fucken great

Rangi Guy wrote:Vinyl roulette - picked this one today. Haven't listened to this in years - it's a great album

you got this one on vinyl? ahh

VinylGuy wrote:

Rangi Guy wrote:Vinyl roulette - picked this one today. Haven't listened to this in years - it's a great album

you got this one on vinyl? ahh

Damn, I had no idea it was so valuable. I may have to sell mine.

VinylGuy wrote:

Rangi Guy wrote:Vinyl roulette - picked this one today. Haven't listened to this in years - it's a great album

you got this one on vinyl? ahh

Bought it 2nd hand off someone who had no idea what it was worth along with original pressings of Ten and VS