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Re: Alice in Chains
Posted: Mon September 25, 2017 9:14 pm
by Birds in Hell
LoathedVermin72 wrote:Meh. JOF has never done much for me.
Me either, I've always been a bit mystified by its reputation as being some kind of high water mark for the band. Facelift and Dirt are so much better.
Re: Alice in Chains
Posted: Mon September 25, 2017 9:27 pm
by PHATJ
Birds in Hell wrote:LoathedVermin72 wrote:Meh. JOF has never done much for me.
Me either, I've always been a bit mystified by its reputation as being some kind of high water mark for the band. Facelift and Dirt are so much better.
Dirt is the other AIC album I like. I could do without any other AIC. But Jar of Flies is spectacular (except the last song, which is trash). Six perfect songs performed and recorded beautifully. It's as good as any grunge era album. And I say that as someone that would rank AIC far below the other bands in the grunge tournament.
Re: Alice in Chains
Posted: Mon September 25, 2017 9:28 pm
by BurtReynolds
It's not so much that I like AiC. I just really really love Jar of Flies. And maybe a few more of their hits.
I don't listen to any of the other albums, except maybe Sap, which is kind of a proto-JoF.
Re: Alice in Chains
Posted: Mon September 25, 2017 9:30 pm
by PHATJ
BurtReynolds wrote:It's not so much that I like AiC. I just really really love Jar of Flies. And maybe a few more of their hits.
Exactly
Re: Alice in Chains
Posted: Mon September 25, 2017 9:33 pm
by VinylGuy
JOF and Tripod are my favorites from AIC.
Re: Alice in Chains
Posted: Mon September 25, 2017 9:43 pm
by Birds in Hell
Crazy.
If I were to make an Alice in Chains top 20, I don't think a single song from Sap or Jar of Flies would make it.
Re: Alice in Chains
Posted: Mon September 25, 2017 9:47 pm
by bune
BurtReynolds wrote:It's not so much that I like AiC. I just really really love Jar of Flies. And maybe a few more of their hits.
I don't listen to any of the other albums, except maybe Sap, which is kind of a proto-JoF.

Re: Alice in Chains
Posted: Mon September 25, 2017 9:48 pm
by BurtReynolds
Birds in Hell wrote:Crazy.
If I were to make an Alice in Chains top 20, I don't think a single song from Sap or Jar of Flies would make it.
perhaps it is you who is crazy.
Re: Alice in Chains
Posted: Mon September 25, 2017 9:49 pm
by PHATJ

JoF would probably have five or six songs in my top seven AIC.
Re: Alice in Chains
Posted: Mon September 25, 2017 9:56 pm
by bune
I have a playlist of just those EPs because they're so awesome.
Re: Alice in Chains
Posted: Mon September 25, 2017 10:24 pm
by PHATJ
1. Rotten Apple
2. Don't Follow
3. Nutshell
4. No Excuses
5. I Stay Away
6. Whale & Wasp
Re: Alice in Chains
Posted: Tue September 26, 2017 12:46 am
by chewm
Dirt is their best but I love Sap.
Re: Alice in Chains
Posted: Tue September 26, 2017 2:56 am
by stip
I like Alice in Chains a lot (well, the Sap-Dirt-JoF-AiC run), but Jar of Flies is just heads and shoulders above everything else.
It's entirely possible that Rotten Apples, Nutshell, Don't Follow, and No Excuses are 4 of my top 6 (with Would and A Little Bitter)
Re: Alice in Chains
Posted: Tue September 26, 2017 3:00 am
by Birds in Hell
There are several songs on Facelift I'd rank above anything on Jar of Flies.
Re: Alice in Chains
Posted: Tue September 26, 2017 3:06 am
by PHATJ
stip wrote:I like Alice in Chains a lot (well, the Sap-Dirt-JoF-AiC run), but Jar of Flies is just heads and shoulders above everything else.
It's entirely possible that Rotten Apples, Nutshell, Don't Follow, and No Excuses are 4 of my top 6 (with Would and A Little Bitter)

I Stay Away is great too.
Re: Alice in Chains
Posted: Tue September 26, 2017 4:30 am
by Kevin Davis
Kevin Davis wrote:"Facelift" definitely starts off strong and then takes a nosedive. It's pretty indisputably their weakest album, a kind of grotesque grunge-glam Frankenstein's monster that never really finds its sweet spot.
"Dirt" is pretty much AIC 101 -- I won't say I love every track, but this record is their essence, imitated by dozens, and probably contains more immediately satisfying songs than any other record they made.
The self-titled album is a dense, complex work that repays attentive listening -- the harmonies in particular, both between Staley and Cantrell and between the vocal melodies and chords, are among the most innovative and unusual I've ever heard, a high watermark for music theory within the grunge niche.
Both EP's are essential, not a bad song on either one.
All that said, I don't necessarily disagree that a good 20 song or so comp would pretty much serve my AIC needs from here on out. Definitely not a hits-only comp, though.
I'm going to walk back my classification of "Sap" as "essential" and reclassify it as "pretty okay" but I'm sticking by this. I could reduce AIC to a single disc compilation with minimal heartburn over what to cut; I don't think I could fill a second disc without crossing over into excess.
Re: Alice in Chains
Posted: Wed September 27, 2017 8:00 pm
by PHATJ
Kevin Davis wrote:Kevin Davis wrote:"Facelift" definitely starts off strong and then takes a nosedive. It's pretty indisputably their weakest album, a kind of grotesque grunge-glam Frankenstein's monster that never really finds its sweet spot.
"Dirt" is pretty much AIC 101 -- I won't say I love every track, but this record is their essence, imitated by dozens, and probably contains more immediately satisfying songs than any other record they made.
The self-titled album is a dense, complex work that repays attentive listening -- the harmonies in particular, both between Staley and Cantrell and between the vocal melodies and chords, are among the most innovative and unusual I've ever heard, a high watermark for music theory within the grunge niche.
Both EP's are essential, not a bad song on either one.
All that said, I don't necessarily disagree that a good 20 song or so comp would pretty much serve my AIC needs from here on out. Definitely not a hits-only comp, though.
I'm going to walk back my classification of "Sap" as "essential" and reclassify it as "pretty okay" but I'm sticking by this. I could reduce AIC to a single disc compilation with minimal heartburn over what to cut; I don't think I could fill a second disc without crossing over into excess.
I don't think I could even do that much. I love JoF and maybe five more AIC songs. The rest of their stuff does basically nothing for me or I actively dislike it.
Re: Alice in Chains
Posted: Thu September 28, 2017 12:58 am
by LetMeSleep
For me it's Dirt plus Brother, Got Me Wrong, Rotten Apple, Nutshell and I Stay Away and Over Now.
An extra three or four from ST and that's a wrap.
We Die Young, Man in a box and Sea Of Sorrow too.
Re: Alice in Chains
Posted: Thu September 28, 2017 1:54 am
by wease
Dirt, JoF, most of Sap, most of ST, MITB, WDY, SOS, ALB, WTHHI
Re: Alice in Chains
Posted: Thu September 28, 2017 10:15 am
by stip
Kevin Davis wrote:Kevin Davis wrote:"Facelift" definitely starts off strong and then takes a nosedive. It's pretty indisputably their weakest album, a kind of grotesque grunge-glam Frankenstein's monster that never really finds its sweet spot.
"Dirt" is pretty much AIC 101 -- I won't say I love every track, but this record is their essence, imitated by dozens, and probably contains more immediately satisfying songs than any other record they made.
The self-titled album is a dense, complex work that repays attentive listening -- the harmonies in particular, both between Staley and Cantrell and between the vocal melodies and chords, are among the most innovative and unusual I've ever heard, a high watermark for music theory within the grunge niche.
Both EP's are essential, not a bad song on either one.
All that said, I don't necessarily disagree that a good 20 song or so comp would pretty much serve my AIC needs from here on out. Definitely not a hits-only comp, though.
I'm going to walk back my classification of "Sap" as "essential" and reclassify it as "pretty okay" but I'm sticking by this. I could reduce AIC to a single disc compilation with minimal heartburn over what to cut; I don't think I could fill a second disc without crossing over into excess.
Probably a disc and a half for me, but I agree. They are an essential songs band, but the essentials are great