Red Mosquito

McParadigm wrote:

Let's use Occam's Razor and see which of these two things is more likely:

Elon Musk, who publicly sided with Israel over Gaza, is actually a Nazi and decided this live broadcast to the entire world was the perfect time to announce it

This purposefully and fundamentally misunderstands the meaning of that gesture to a fascist-favorable audience. It is valued not for its association with antisemitism, but for its associations of power, authoritarianism, and the destruction of one’s enemies.

or

Elon's not really suited for politics and public speaking at this level despite what his ego tells him and didnt pay attention to what he was doing when we he said "my heart goes out to you" as is evidenced by the video of his speech

In a post-1940’s world, if somebody inadvertently Nazi salutes in public and doesn’t promptly rush to say “holy fucking shit you guys, I’m really sorry about that,” you owe them no presumption of goodwill. It is not just the moment but the reaction afterwards that should inform your interpretation.

The difference between “oh wow, you guys… I didn’t really mean it that way, ps nazis fucking suck” and “oh, what, so everybody’s Hitler now? Give me a break” is profound and communicative.

It informs your Occam’s razor.

Absent any indicator that they sure wish it hadn’t looked like a Nazi salute, because kill all Nazis, the actual simplest answer/Occam’s razor version is:

Either the point was to manufacture a reason to do a Nazi salute and then play innocent about it afterwards…

….or it was an actual accident in public, and he’s too stupid or weak to admit he fucked up….even when he has accidentally mimicked a Nazi fucking salute at a political event tied to the presidency.

Personally, I suspect he did it on purpose for trolling reasons (the man is, after all, more interested in being an Internet troll than he is in being successful).

But the fact remains that if a powerful person with significant influence does a Nazi salute at a major political event, and then doesn’t immediately confirm to everybody in the aftermath that, hey, don’t worry, they actually fucking hate Nazis….it is neither the measured nor the rational response to take them at their word.

dimejinky99 wrote:Brave woman.


Rev. Mariann Edgar Budde to Trump: "I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now. There are gay, lesbian, and transgender people in Democratic, Republican, and independent families, some who fear for their lives ... and the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals"

“The vast majority of immigrants are not criminals. May I ask you to have mercy, Mr. President, on those whose children fear their parents will be taken away.”

Bi_3 wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

Let's use Occam's Razor and see which of these two things is more likely:

Elon Musk, who publicly sided with Israel over Gaza, is actually a Nazi and decided this live broadcast to the entire world was the perfect time to announce it

This purposefully and fundamentally misunderstands the meaning of that gesture to a fascist-favorable audience. It is valued not for its association with antisemitism, but for its associations of power, authoritarianism, and the destruction of one’s enemies.

or

Elon's not really suited for politics and public speaking at this level despite what his ego tells him and didnt pay attention to what he was doing when we he said "my heart goes out to you" as is evidenced by the video of his speech

In a post-1940’s world, if somebody inadvertently Nazi salutes in public and doesn’t promptly rush to say “holy fucking shit you guys, I’m really sorry about that,” you owe them no presumption of goodwill. It is not just the moment but the reaction afterwards that should inform your interpretation.

The difference between “oh wow, you guys… I didn’t really mean it that way, ps nazis fucking suck” and “oh, what, so everybody’s Hitler now? Give me a break” is profound and communicative.

It informs your Occam’s razor.

Absent any indicator that they sure wish it hadn’t looked like a Nazi salute, because kill all Nazis, the actual simplest answer/Occam’s razor version is:

Either the point was to manufacture a reason to do a Nazi salute and then play innocent about it afterwards…

….or it was an actual accident in public, and he’s too stupid or weak to admit he fucked up….even when he has accidentally mimicked a Nazi fucking salute at a political event tied to the presidency.

Personally, I suspect he did it on purpose for trolling reasons (the man is, after all, more interested in being an Internet troll than he is in being successful).

But the fact remains that if a powerful person with significant influence does a Nazi salute at a major political event, and then doesn’t immediately confirm to everybody in the aftermath that, hey, don’t worry, they actually fucking hate Nazis….it is neither the measured nor the rational response to take them at their word.

Or it wasnt a Nazi salute and there is no reason to legitimize that allegation by apologizing for it

Strat wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Brave woman.


Rev. Mariann Edgar Budde to Trump: "I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now. There are gay, lesbian, and transgender people in Democratic, Republican, and independent families, some who fear for their lives ... and the vast majority of immigrants are not criminals"

“The vast majority of immigrants are not criminals. May I ask you to have mercy, Mr. President, on those whose children fear their parents will be taken away.”

Trump listened, then got pissed, but then listened again.

Vance checked out immediately and basically rolled his eyes the entire time.

Fun stuff.

Farmer John wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:
Or it wasnt a Nazi salute and there is no reason to legitimize that allegation by apologizing for it

If that's the case, then when you go to work tomorrow, give everybody that exact same "my heart goes out to you" gesture and see how it goes.

B wrote:Or you could just share a bunch of Nazi propaganda with your coworkers and tell them how awesome it is.

Then your hand gestures are irrelevant.

Farmer John wrote:Update: that bishop has been killed

Ello Sailor wrote:Mentally deficient cringelord thinks he's an agent of chaos. Many such cases.

Farmer John wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:No way he can get that kind of hang time. His jumping is the most embarrassing thing about him.