Red Mosquito

McParadigm wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:How’s that criminal justice reform working out so far?

Which of the reform laws that Maryland passed is preventing police from addressing public intoxication or illegal drug sales? All I’m familiar with is the bill that expanded public records access and body cam requirements, added no-knock warrant prerequisites, and changed the way police shootings are investigated.

It can’t be a result of defunding, either.

The Baltimore City Council approved a $4.3 billion spending plan Tuesday, leaving a $555 million allocation for the city's police department intact despite pleas from some members of the public to cut or eliminate spending on law enforcement.

In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: The police, who investigate crime, and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/crime ... story.html

Interesting. I hadn’t read anything about that. Violent crime declining 20% and property crime declining 35% seems like a positive, I guess, but I can see why storefront businesses might be frustrated by the results...especially as they try to recover economically from the quarantine era and lure shoppers back in.

McParadigm wrote:Interesting. I hadn’t read anything about that. Violent crime declining 20% and property crime declining 35% seems like a positive, I guess, but I can see why storefront businesses might be frustrated by the results...especially as they try to recover economically from the quarantine era and lure shoppers back in.

After a bit of further looking it appears the organizers of the complaint are related to the Sinclair Broadcast Group, so I am now a bit suspicious of it

Crime stats do go down when cops stop arresting people, yes.

verb_to_trust wrote:Crime stats do go down when cops stop arresting people, yes.

Just like covid rates go up when you start testing anyone and everyone without symptoms

Why on earth would you get involved in something like this in such a jurisdiction? If you do, get the fuck out of there immediately and don't talk to the press. Chesa hates this guy for interfering in a rightful transfer of property.

Bammer wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Crime stats do go down when cops stop arresting people, yes.

Just like covid rates go up when you start testing anyone and everyone without symptoms

I think that’s backwards. When you only test the symptomatic people, the positivity rate is higher.

And a lower crime rate because cops aren’t arresting so many people is not necessarily a bad thing.

Rob wrote:

Bammer wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Crime stats do go down when cops stop arresting people, yes.

Just like covid rates go up when you start testing anyone and everyone without symptoms

I think that’s backwards. When you only test the symptomatic people, the positivity rate is higher.

And a lower crime rate because cops aren’t arresting so many people is not necessarily a bad thing.

How is gaming the stats a good thing for public safety?

simple schoolboy wrote:

Why on earth would you get involved in something like this in such a jurisdiction? If you do, get the fuck out of there immediately and don't talk to the press. Chesa hates this guy for interfering in a rightful transfer of property.

Some people believe in doing the right thing regardless of consequence

Rob wrote:

Bammer wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Crime stats do go down when cops stop arresting people, yes.

Just like covid rates go up when you start testing anyone and everyone without symptoms

I think that’s backwards. When you only test the symptomatic people, the positivity rate is higher.

And a lower crime rate because cops aren’t arresting so many people is not necessarily a bad thing.

The only covid stat that matters is whether or not there are enough doctors and hospital beds to treat the sick people.

And Rob, if you think fewer arrests of criminals is a good thing, you’re too far gone and there is simply no saving you.

So when a place like New York City ends a policy like “stop and frisk” which results in fewer arrests for “crimes” (usually victimless crimes like possession of drugs), this is a bad thing? Do we need to be using all these resources and handing out criminal records in this way? I don’t see that as gaming the stats. The point of policing should be to protect and serve, not arrest every guy with a little baggie in his pocket. I don’t see how that helps anyone.

Peeps wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:

Why on earth would you get involved in something like this in such a jurisdiction? If you do, get the fuck out of there immediately and don't talk to the press. Chesa hates this guy for interfering in a rightful transfer of property.

Some people believe in doing the right thing regardless of consequence

Virtue signaling above everything!

verb_to_trust wrote:Crime stats do go down when cops stop arresting people, yes.

They stopped prosecuting attempted drug distribution, prostitution, trespassing, open containers and minor traffic offenses. They didn’t stop prosecuting violent crime or property crimes.

McParadigm wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Crime stats do go down when cops stop arresting people, yes.

They stopped prosecuting attempted drug distribution, prostitution, trespassing, open containers and minor traffic offenses. They didn’t stop prosecuting violent crime or property crimes.

You're so close

verb_to_trust wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Crime stats do go down when cops stop arresting people, yes.

They stopped prosecuting attempted drug distribution, prostitution, trespassing, open containers and minor traffic offenses. They didn’t stop prosecuting violent crime or property crimes.

You're so close

Very useful response.

Anyways, I came across an expanded summary of the figures in a WaPo article:

While violent crime and homicides skyrocketed in most other big American cities last year, violent crime in Baltimore dropped 20 percent from last March to this month, property crime decreased 36 percent, and there were 13 fewer homicides compared with the previous year. This happened while 39 percent fewer people entered the city’s criminal justice system in the one-year period.

It didn’t mention property crimes in other cities, a bit of searching shows that they were up in most places during the same time frame….ranging from a 1% increase in Seattle to an 11% increase in Lubbock.

McParadigm wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:Crime stats do go down when cops stop arresting people, yes.

They stopped prosecuting attempted drug distribution, prostitution, trespassing, open containers and minor traffic offenses. They didn’t stop prosecuting violent crime or property crimes.

You're so close

Very useful response.

Anyways, I came across an expanded summary of the figures in a WaPo article:

While violent crime and homicides skyrocketed in most other big American cities last year, violent crime in Baltimore dropped 20 percent from last March to this month, property crime decreased 36 percent, and there were 13 fewer homicides compared with the previous year. This happened while 39 percent fewer people entered the city’s criminal justice system in the one-year period.

It didn’t mention property crimes in other cities, a bit of searching shows that they were up in most places during the same time frame….ranging from a 1% increase in Seattle to an 11% increase in Lubbock.

What is that 1% uptick in Seattle?

Number of reported crimes?

Number of arrests for such crimes?

Bammer wrote:What is that 1% uptick in Seattle?

Number of reported crimes?

Number of arrests for such crimes?

The U.S. has two major data collection programs: the Uniform Crime Reports from the FBI and the National Crime Victimization Survey from the Bureau of Justice Statistics. You’ll have to ask them.

Speaking of the FBI report, an aside: one reason that increases in crime are usually framed as happening “in cities” is because larger metros have the infrastructure and personnel to collect and report these figures, while the FBI has to collate data from most smaller communities on its own. The report that incorporates the collated data usually arrives some months after the metros report, by which time the conversation is over.

Which is why we talk about homicides being up in big cities in 2020, even though communities with fewer than 10,000 residents saw more than a 30 percent increase in killings as well.

I'm going to parse out some annotated circle jerky response.....oh wait, nevermind, it's Saturday, the euros are on, and I'm going outside to get some yard work done.

lol Verb could win this argument, but he's got better things to do

he doesn’t have anything better to do