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Hatfield wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

stip wrote:

McParadigm wrote:Also, Nostrand complained about hit songs bringing too many teeny bopper girls into the pit, and stip perked up quite a bit about that. If I remember correctly, he said something vaguely offensive like "Twenty or not, here I come."

it's why we both got into education!

That line plays out way creepier on my end than it does on yours.

Yeah, as a high school teacher myself, I'd edit that one. The NSA is reading this.

harmless wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

harmless wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

evenslow wrote:

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

evenslow wrote:Prediction: we'll find in about 6 months to 1 year's time that Backspacer set up the 10th album perfectly.

Put another way: imagine if they did another "middle of the road" rock record instead of the left turn (for them) of Backspacer. There would be no interesting context to place the new record in. It would probably feel like "more of the same," which equals death for a longtime rock band.

Now, this doesn't mean Backspacer is a genius record, rather it's exactly what they intended it to be - a fun palate cleanser of sorts meant to add a new color to the palette (to mix metaphors).

After the new record is out, Backspacer will be something to react off of instead of endlessly reflect upon. The former suits it better.

i like the thought, but i still hope backspacer was just totally a one off and they decide not to try it again, though that might also mean that in 5 or 6 years it is being called a lot of peoples favorite because its so much different then everything else they have done.

that's the point i was making

wishful thinking im afraid.

You seem pretty sure about that, as if you know something we don't.

no comment.

Wait, you're 'PJ' aren't you.

harmless wrote:

Mine wrote:

stupidmop wrote:I appreciate that they tried to do something different, i just do not enjoy the sound of it. There's just too much going on, it's a swirling sonic mess of wtf to me.

The demo is ok though.

I wouldn't be bothered if they used synths if they used them well. That's my main issue with their last 2 reocords compared to all of their previous. All of their albums from 10 to Riot Act are developed in their overall sound. They sound like whatever they had to say they made sure it came through and i don't even like all of it. Then came s/t and all they seem to have to say is - loud.
I don't think everything's done wrong on BS. The End is exactly like it should be, so is, like it or not, The Fixer and so on. That's where a good producer would have to step in if the band can't do it any more. It seems that O'Brien's input was the exact opposite. For instance he made what was the bridge of Just Breathe the chorus which doesn't make the song better it just makes it more generic.

I do think there are good songs on the last 2 albums i just don't think they are "developed" as well as their songs used to be.

I agree with what you say about Just Breathe's changes not making the song any better. But again, maybe (generic) 'pop song', something palatable, is what they wanted for that album's theme?

Mine wrote:

harmless wrote:

Mine wrote:

stupidmop wrote:I appreciate that they tried to do something different, i just do not enjoy the sound of it. There's just too much going on, it's a swirling sonic mess of wtf to me.

The demo is ok though.

I wouldn't be bothered if they used synths if they used them well. That's my main issue with their last 2 reocords compared to all of their previous. All of their albums from 10 to Riot Act are developed in their overall sound. They sound like whatever they had to say they made sure it came through and i don't even like all of it. Then came s/t and all they seem to have to say is - loud.
I don't think everything's done wrong on BS. The End is exactly like it should be, so is, like it or not, The Fixer and so on. That's where a good producer would have to step in if the band can't do it any more. It seems that O'Brien's input was the exact opposite. For instance he made what was the bridge of Just Breathe the chorus which doesn't make the song better it just makes it more generic.

I do think there are good songs on the last 2 albums i just don't think they are "developed" as well as their songs used to be.

I agree with what you say about Just Breathe's changes not making the song any better. But again, maybe (generic) 'pop song', something palatable, is what they wanted for that album's theme?

I don't know if that's what they wanted for the album. I'm not sure that's why they brought O'Brien on board to begin with. Eddie's songs don't usually change that much in their structure from demo to finished songs judging from the few demos and acoustic versions that are known.

I don't think that there's any prominent style on the album that would justify any change or arrangement choice. If you think about it Just Breath isn't any more palatable that way is just more generic that it needs to be.

harmless wrote:Whether or not that worked for you is irrelevant.

Mine wrote:

harmless wrote:Whether or not that worked for you is irrelevant.

I agree.
The thing is that structure isn't how all of the songs on Backspacer are composed nor is every generic pop song. I also don't think they need a producer for this kind of things.

Mine wrote:

harmless wrote:Whether or not that worked for you is irrelevant.

I agree.
The thing is that structure isn't how all of the songs on Backspacer are composed nor is every generic pop song. I also don't think they need a producer for this kind of things.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Pearl Jam Ten Club Members Facebook page is blowin' up today!

i just joined, lets see how silly it is

Well?

Strat wrote:

Mine wrote:

harmless wrote:Whether or not that worked for you is irrelevant.

I agree.
The thing is that structure isn't how all of the songs on Backspacer are composed nor is every generic pop song. I also don't think they need a producer for this kind of things.

i think pearl jams natural tendency is to veer to the left. to de construct a pop song and make it their own. I believe it is unnatural to them to make a song/album like backspacer. BOB is more familiar with this approach.

nomorecrackpipes wrote:Does anyone have concrete proof as to how B O'B has shaped PJ's songs? Aside from Better Man, his influence to keep songs concise, and his infatuation with loudness, what else? He's never shared a songwriting credit, simply a producer/mixer and maybe advisor.

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Pearl Jam Ten Club Members Facebook page is blowin' up today!

i just joined, lets see how silly it is

Well?

im pretty sure im gonna leave the group now, my timeline is full of garbage

B wrote:

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Pearl Jam Ten Club Members Facebook page is blowin' up today!

i just joined, lets see how silly it is

Well?

im pretty sure im gonna leave the group now, my timeline is full of garbage

There's a Fan Club Members Facebook page?

Rangi Guy wrote:I really liked Backspacer, so I guess I'm easy to please. I'm really looking forward to some news Pearl Jams

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

Rangi Guy wrote:I really liked Backspacer, so I guess I'm easy to please. I'm really looking forward to some news Pearl Jams

I still like Backspacer, i just don't really want more of it, im hoping for something a good bit different then it