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If both candidates assault women it's a moot point

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96583UP wrote:what ever happened with Biden finger banging that chick without consent

Alyssa Milano said it didn't happen

verb_to_trust wrote:If both candidates assault women it's a moot point

They made Al Franken step down from his senate seat for less, so I'm not sure it is

Mickey wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:If both candidates assault women it's a moot point

They made Al Franken step down from his senate seat for less, so I'm not sure it is

These are the candidates. We have to focus on what is different about them.

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Mickey wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:If both candidates assault women it's a moot point

They made Al Franken step down from his senate seat for less, so I'm not sure it is

These are the candidates. We have to focus on what is different about them.

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Mickey wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:If both candidates assault women it's a moot point

They made Al Franken step down from his senate seat for less, so I'm not sure it is

These are the candidates. We have to focus on what is different about them.

I mean, strictly speaking, we don't have to.

Mickey wrote:

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Mickey wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:If both candidates assault women it's a moot point

They made Al Franken step down from his senate seat for less, so I'm not sure it is

These are the candidates. We have to focus on what is different about them.

I mean, strictly speaking, we don't have to.

So I should just not vote and help the Lysol King stick around another 4 years?

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Mickey wrote:

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Mickey wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:If both candidates assault women it's a moot point

They made Al Franken step down from his senate seat for less, so I'm not sure it is

These are the candidates. We have to focus on what is different about them.

I mean, strictly speaking, we don't have to.

So I should just not vote and help the Lysol King stick around another 4 years?

You do what you think you need to do, I'm just not going to begrudge anyone who looks at two rapists and decides to stay home.

For fear of being raped?

Mickey wrote:

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Mickey wrote:

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Mickey wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:If both candidates assault women it's a moot point

They made Al Franken step down from his senate seat for less, so I'm not sure it is

These are the candidates. We have to focus on what is different about them.

I mean, strictly speaking, we don't have to.

So I should just not vote and help the Lysol King stick around another 4 years?

You do what you think you need to do, I'm just not going to begrudge anyone who looks at two rapists and decides to stay home.

Oh well that's where you are wrong. Those people should be beaten repeatedly.

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Mickey wrote:

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Mickey wrote:

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Mickey wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:If both candidates assault women it's a moot point

They made Al Franken step down from his senate seat for less, so I'm not sure it is

These are the candidates. We have to focus on what is different about them.

I mean, strictly speaking, we don't have to.

So I should just not vote and help the Lysol King stick around another 4 years?

You do what you think you need to do, I'm just not going to begrudge anyone who looks at two rapists and decides to stay home.

Oh well that's where you are wrong. Those people should be beaten repeatedly.

Great argument for your candidate, excellent work.

There are not a lot of people who will be passionately defending Biden. The best argument for him is simply harm reduction. But that's not very exciting or inspiring, especially when he seems hell-bent on associating with people like Summers

theplatypus wrote:There are not a lot of people who will be passionately defending Biden. The best argument for him is simply harm reduction. But that's not very exciting or inspiring, especially when he seems hell-bent on associating with people like Summers

How excited were you for Fernández?

Mickey wrote:

theplatypus wrote:There are not a lot of people who will be passionately defending Biden. The best argument for him is simply harm reduction. But that's not very exciting or inspiring, especially when he seems hell-bent on associating with people like Summers

How excited were you for Fernández?

Not very, but I think he's done a pretty okay job so far, all things considered

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Mickey wrote:

theplatypus wrote:There are not a lot of people who will be passionately defending Biden. The best argument for him is simply harm reduction. But that's not very exciting or inspiring, especially when he seems hell-bent on associating with people like Summers

How excited were you for Fernández?

Not very, but I think he's done a pretty okay job so far, all things considered

I knew a few people from LP who were in the streets for his victory and I was just like...why?

His face is slightly too small for the size of his head

Biden may not inspire people, but if you’re on the left, I can’t understand not voting for him. I realize some think another, better left wing hero will arise for next time, but give Trump & McConnell another 4 years to stack the courts against you and you’ll spend the entire time just trying to undo that damage. The GOP is literally laser focused on building a firewall against anything the left wants. They know there’s a left wave brewing. Plus Biden is at best a one termer and then retired. Bernie helped build a left base, which hasn’t existed in the past and will have at least some influence.

#RasTrent2024, Mon!

Rob wrote:Biden may not inspire people, but if you’re on the left, I can’t understand not voting for him. I realize some think another, better left wing hero will arise for next time, but give Trump & McConnell another 4 years to stack the courts against you and you’ll spend the entire time just trying to undo that damage. The GOP is literally laser focused on building a firewall against anything the left wants. They know there’s a left wave brewing. Plus Biden is at best a one termer and then retired. Bernie helped build a left base, which hasn’t existed in the past and will have at least some influence.

I can't imagine not voting for Biden personally, for many of the reasons you list here, but I'm also neither a woman nor a victim of sexual assault looking at an election cycle where both major parties have ignored credible rape allegations against their candidates and put them on the ballot. This isn't a determining issue for me--thanks, gender bias!--but I wouldn't presume to speak for anyone else and I definitely wouldn't say it's a "moot point" whether or not Joe Biden penetrated his former staffer without her consent. In other words, I find it strange to begrudge the voter making the personal choice to abstain when the DNC is more than welcome to do the right thing and pressure Joe to step down, just as they did with Franken. This is perhaps another iteration of a point I've been making for a few weeks now--no one "has" to vote for Biden, it's incumbent on Biden himself and on the Democratic Party to put forward a platform that appeals to voters. Maybe that means strategically ignoring the rape issue and hoping it goes away--and maybe that's even the "ethical" choice (i.e. lesser evil) against the threat of second-term Trump (tho I won't hold my breath to see that same playbook rolled out the next time there's an allegation against a left-wing senator)--but I'm very uncomfortable with this dismissive, "you're not allowed to care about that" approach that transfers the responsibility for the candidate's malfeasance to individual voters.