Red Mosquito

durdencommatyler wrote:

Coach wrote:I think the thing that's bugging me most is that if you asked anyone after watching ROTJ for the first time they'd say Palps is dead. It was 100 percent at the time. And it was understood in that way for soooo long. So I think messing w/ that is problematic. It'd be like Rocky beat Apollo Creed in the first fight due to a technicality revealed in a new film. I dunno

Sure. But we're talking about space wizards here.

wease wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

wease wrote:Where does it say any of that, other than the Plagueis stuff, in the movies?

Anders beat me to it. It’s all in the new canon books and comics.

Exactly. As much as I enjoy the different mediums, as a film series, these last movies totally fail on that point. If you have to go out and do research to know why something happens in a movie, that’s bad writing.

wease wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

wease wrote:Where does it say any of that, other than the Plagueis stuff, in the movies?

Anders beat me to it. It’s all in the new canon books and comics.

But a large portion of people seeing these movies have no idea about the other canon stuff, so it could get confusing for the general public.

They’ve been great at keeping the films accessible without all that side knowledge. You can see th films without knowing any of it and still enjoy it.
Many complained that Th political landscape wasn’t explained enough in tfa but it’s sll outlined in bloodline. Many many more actually do read all that stuff than you’d think.

Your point is invalid. Ruddo is exactly right. The only people reading the books are hardline Star Wars fans. Hell, I consider myself a huge Star Wars fan and I’ve not even read Bloodline. You can’t blame people for not understanding something in the movie because they haven’t read a particular novel beforehand. Joe Q Public doesn’t give a shit about reading the books.

Strat wrote:

wease wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

wease wrote:Where does it say any of that, other than the Plagueis stuff, in the movies?

Anders beat me to it. It’s all in the new canon books and comics.

But a large portion of people seeing these movies have no idea about the other canon stuff, so it could get confusing for the general public.

They’ve been great at keeping the films accessible without all that side knowledge. You can see th films without knowing any of it and still enjoy it.
Many complained that Th political landscape wasn’t explained enough in tfa but it’s sll outlined in bloodline. Many many more actually do read all that stuff than you’d think.

Your point is invalid. Ruddo is exactly right. The only people reading the books are hardline Star Wars fans. Hell, I consider myself a huge Star Wars fan and I’ve not even read Bloodline. You can’t blame people for not understanding something in the movie because they haven’t read a particular novel beforehand. Joe Q Public doesn’t give a shit about reading the books.

Yup. Im glad that stuff is out there but hard canon for me are the movies. That's it. The most they can do is give nods to clone wars/rebels but redeveloping story lines based off new canon books 30 years past return of the jedi is hard to swallow for me.

durdencommatyler wrote:

wease wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

wease wrote:Where does it say any of that, other than the Plagueis stuff, in the movies?

Anders beat me to it. It’s all in the new canon books and comics.

But a large portion of people seeing these movies have no idea about the other canon stuff, so it could get confusing for the general public.

They’ve been great at keeping the films accessible without all that side knowledge. You can see th films without knowing any of it and still enjoy it.
Many complained that Th political landscape wasn’t explained enough in tfa but it’s sll outlined in bloodline. Many many more actually do read all that stuff than you’d think.

Your point is invalid. Ruddo is exactly right. The only people reading the books are hardline Star Wars fans. Hell, I consider myself a huge Star Wars fan and I’ve not even read Bloodline. You can’t blame people for not understanding something in the movie because they haven’t read a particular novel beforehand. Joe Q Public doesn’t give a shit about reading the books.

Again, this is why I don't think the stuff dime is saying is going to play out in this way in this movie. People are Snoking their way into an internet fight all over again.

Monkey_Driven wrote:

wease wrote:Where does it say any of that, other than the Plagueis stuff, in the movies?

Right, the saga's conclusion is not going to be guided by something that happened off screen in a book or game. It will be something either introduced in this or the previous movies.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Coach wrote:I think the thing that's bugging me most is that if you asked anyone after watching ROTJ for the first time they'd say Palps is dead. It was 100 percent at the time. And it was understood in that way for soooo long. So I think messing w/ that is problematic. It'd be like Rocky beat Apollo Creed in the first fight due to a technicality revealed in a new film. I dunno

Sure. But we're talking about space wizards here.

That all understand every language in the galaxy.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

wease wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

wease wrote:Where does it say any of that, other than the Plagueis stuff, in the movies?

Anders beat me to it. It’s all in the new canon books and comics.

But a large portion of people seeing these movies have no idea about the other canon stuff, so it could get confusing for the general public.

They’ve been great at keeping the films accessible without all that side knowledge. You can see th films without knowing any of it and still enjoy it.
Many complained that Th political landscape wasn’t explained enough in tfa but it’s sll outlined in bloodline. Many many more actually do read all that stuff than you’d think.

Your point is invalid. Ruddo is exactly right. The only people reading the books are hardline Star Wars fans. Hell, I consider myself a huge Star Wars fan and I’ve not even read Bloodline. You can’t blame people for not understanding something in the movie because they haven’t read a particular novel beforehand. Joe Q Public doesn’t give a shit about reading the books.

Again, this is why I don't think the stuff dime is saying is going to play out in this way in this movie. People are Snoking their way into an internet fight all over again.

We need a new Pearl Jam album now more than ever.

durdencommatyler wrote:Speaking of Snoke... let's speculate. What do we think the odds are that:

1. He'll be mentioned at all
2. We'll find out where he came from
3. We'll find out his role in this story
4. He'll come back to life


???

durdencommatyler wrote:Speaking of Snoke... let's speculate. What do we think the odds are that:

1. He'll be mentioned at all
2. We'll find out where he came from
3. We'll find out his role in this story
4. He'll come back to life


???

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Speaking of Snoke... let's speculate. What do we think the odds are that:

1. He'll be mentioned at all
2. We'll find out where he came from
3. We'll find out his role in this story
4. He'll come back to life


???

I say only #1 happens

E.H. Ruddock wrote:I think as far as introducing the stuff that is canon but only in books or animated series, the upcoming tv series are going to be a great way to introduce that to more casual fans.

Anders wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

wease wrote:Where does it say any of that, other than the Plagueis stuff, in the movies?

Right, the saga's conclusion is not going to be guided by something that happened off screen in a book or game. It will be something either introduced in this or the previous movies.

I think it's very difficult to see Palp coming back from the movies alone. But easy if you know the canon.

durdencommatyler wrote:

Strat wrote:

wease wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

wease wrote:Where does it say any of that, other than the Plagueis stuff, in the movies?

Anders beat me to it. It’s all in the new canon books and comics.

But a large portion of people seeing these movies have no idea about the other canon stuff, so it could get confusing for the general public.

They’ve been great at keeping the films accessible without all that side knowledge. You can see th films without knowing any of it and still enjoy it.
Many complained that Th political landscape wasn’t explained enough in tfa but it’s sll outlined in bloodline. Many many more actually do read all that stuff than you’d think.

Your point is invalid. Ruddo is exactly right. The only people reading the books are hardline Star Wars fans. Hell, I consider myself a huge Star Wars fan and I’ve not even read Bloodline. You can’t blame people for not understanding something in the movie because they haven’t read a particular novel beforehand. Joe Q Public doesn’t give a shit about reading the books.

Yup. Im glad that stuff is out there but hard canon for me are the movies. That's it. The most they can do is give nods to clone wars/rebels but redeveloping story lines based off new canon books 30 years past return of the jedi is hard to swallow for me.

It is now and will always be the other way around. The books/comics/etc are there it fill in the canon. These movies, this saga, was never will not be in 9, about basing ideas/story around existing canon. The books serve these films, not the other way around.

Strat wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:I think as far as introducing the stuff that is canon but only in books or animated series, the upcoming tv series are going to be a great way to introduce that to more casual fans.

Yea. Fuck reading.

wease wrote:

Anders wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

wease wrote:Where does it say any of that, other than the Plagueis stuff, in the movies?

Right, the saga's conclusion is not going to be guided by something that happened off screen in a book or game. It will be something either introduced in this or the previous movies.

I think it's very difficult to see Palp coming back from the movies alone. But easy if you know the canon.

Depends on how it’s done in the movie.

Strat wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Speaking of Snoke... let's speculate. What do we think the odds are that:

1. He'll be mentioned at all
2. We'll find out where he came from
3. We'll find out his role in this story
4. He'll come back to life


???

Stay tuned for the books for your answers

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Speaking of Snoke... let's speculate. What do we think the odds are that:

1. He'll be mentioned at all
2. We'll find out where he came from
3. We'll find out his role in this story
4. He'll come back to life


???

I say only #1 happens