Red Mosquito

durdencommatyler wrote:Do you have an opinion?

I don't have enough information to have an opinion. As I said before, I have a surface level view, which is liable to be incorrect.

It seems, from my honest perspective, which could be incorrect, that the male physical make-up tends to have an unfair advantage over that of females, which is why you don't see females in the NFL, for instance. And as pointed out on the previous page, it could be the case that a trans female still has the physical attributes of a male... So, how might this not be a problem, say, in a boxing match? Just shoot me down. Show me where I'm wrong.

Well, you have to have an opinion to be right or wrong.

Well wease appears absolutely disgusted, so.. that was more addressed to him.

tree_ wrote:It seems, from my honest perspective, which could be incorrect, that the male physical make-up tends to have an unfair advantage over that of females, which is why you don't see females in the NFL, for instance. And as pointed out on the previous page, it could be the case that a trans female still has the physical attributes of a male... So, how might this not be a problem, say, in a boxing match? Just shoot me down. Show me where I'm wrong.

Which "male physical make-up?"

Is this guy ...



... a problem for this woman ...



... in a boxing match?

Weight class would still be a thing.

B wrote:

tree_ wrote:It seems, from my honest perspective, which could be incorrect, that the male physical make-up tends to have an unfair advantage over that of females, which is why you don't see females in the NFL, for instance. And as pointed out on the previous page, it could be the case that a trans female still has the physical attributes of a male... So, how might this not be a problem, say, in a boxing match? Just shoot me down. Show me where I'm wrong.

Which "male physical make-up?"

Is this guy ...



... a problem for this woman ...



... in a boxing match?

Is this the norm, though, when comparing athletes?

Sorry, last minute edit ... weight class is how you sort that out, at least for boxing.

All the science shows that males still have an unfair advantage, though.

https://work.chron.com/physiological-di ... 20627.html

Strength
Male athletes have a higher ratio of muscle mass to body weight, which allows for greater speed and acceleration. This explains why female speed records in running and swimming are consistently 10 percent slower than men's, and why, on average, they have two thirds of the strength of men. However, when you factor out the larger muscle mass in men and compare muscular strength relative to cross-section area of muscle, the strength of male and female athletes is nearly equal.

So I guess that, when considering the bold above, you could put the male in a lower class than the female, and that would be more fair. But bone density is also a difference... so some sports, like boxing, would still be unfair, right?

tree_ wrote:

Those two people don't weigh anywhere near the same, tree. That woman is super skinny and 6 inches shorter.

A 200lbs man and a 200lbs woman might still have some differences, but they'll significantly less stark than anything in that picture.

I like a good narrow thorax in a gal

B wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Those two people don't weigh anywhere near the same, tree. That woman is super skinny and 6 inches shorter.

A 200lbs man and a 200lbs woman might still have some differences, but they'll significantly less stark than anything in that picture.

Right. OK, so accounting for those differences, is it fair to have them fight one another in a boxing match? Also, why aren't there females in the NFL?

tree_ will start bringing out eugenics and craniology diagrams next.

I'd also think the testosterone argument would make a difference. If a transgender women is on hormone blockers, she's going to start losing any advantages that her male body may have had.

wease wrote:tree_ will start bringing out eugenics and craniology diagrams next.

The woman has less fluid in her brain, so she reaches a boiling point faster.

tree_ wrote:

B wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Those two people don't weigh anywhere near the same, tree. That woman is super skinny and 6 inches shorter.

A 200lbs man and a 200lbs woman might still have some differences, but they'll significantly less stark than anything in that picture.

Right. OK, so accounting for those differences, is it fair to have them fight one another in a boxing match? Also, why aren't there females in the NFL?

sexism.

Yeah, I'd like to at least see a female kicker. Don't see why not.

“Sports policy management” is such a societally inconsequential topic. If you think transgender involvement is best achieved by creating a separate track, like boxing weight classes, then just say so and move on. Who honestly gives a shit

My high school had the first female football player in the state a couple of years after I graduated. She was a kicker.