Red Mosquito

Rangi Guy wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

Rob wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote: -the hardships were caused primarily by government measures, so the government is responsible for making up for the hardship caused. This isn't welfare. It's reparations.

What does this mean? The particular hardship being addressed was caused by a virus, not the government. Unless you mean government inaction over time causes these hardships to develop or worsen. But no matter the size of this check or who it goes to, it isn't addresssing all that.

Lockdowns don't work.

Ours did

Nothing about your situation applies to ours. Start your own thread please.

tree_ wrote:Yeah, the problem is that we didn't have a strict enough lock down. If everyone just stayed in their houses for a couple weeks we'd be in a much better situation right now.

This is a particularly mush brained take.

verb_to_trust wrote:

tree_ wrote:Yeah, the problem is that we didn't have a strict enough lock down. If everyone just stayed in their houses for a couple weeks we'd be in a much better situation right now.

This is a particularly mush brained take.

Nah. Isolate everyone for the length of time it takes to recover from the virus and you can't spread it anymore. Pretty simple.

Getting hundreds of millions of people to stay inside for two weeks is anything but simple, by force or by conditioning.

Well if people had any logic they would know it was for the best. A little bit of time at home or years of compromise and hardships? Hmm...

BurtReynolds wrote:Getting hundreds of millions of people to stay inside for two weeks is anything but simple, by force or by conditioning.

especially when the president is out there everyday downplaying the need to

Maybe the government gives you a month to prepare, gives a pamphlet of detailed info on why this is important and with all procedures to follow, maybe provides access to a hazmat suit in case you must leave in the case of emergency, gather food and supplies and provide essentials to those who can't afford it, etc., and sets a date.

I’m assuming that everybody in this thread except the Burt Reynolds and verb to trust accounts are trolling at this point.

tree_ wrote:Maybe the government gives you a month to prepare, gives a pamphlet of detailed info on why this is important and with all procedures to follow, maybe provides access to a hazmat suit in case you must leave in the case of emergency, gather food and supplies and provide essentials to those who can't afford it, etc., and sets a date.

I'll just skip the economic stuff...

- i think you said something earlier about "reasonable people would do X". This comes from a quasi-religious belief that utilitarianism (the most good for the most people) is always the most reasonable position for an individual to take. It isn't. Most people aren't even effected by this disease.

- The government lies sometimes, so its reasonable to assume a percentage of the population, both reasonable and unreasonable, won't give a fuck about what the government says, no matter how detailed their pamphlet is.

- Cultural traits have positives and negatives (think of it like an RPG: race gets +2 for this, -1 for that...) What are the positives and negatives to a society that does whatever they are told by the government or trusts the "experts"? One positive is that they probably do better at managing epidemics. One negative is that they probably have the self defense capabilities of a moa who doesn't understand that his brains are being bashed out by a newly arrived pacific islander.

- For a society to even have these traits, certain conditions must be met (historical, geographical, material etc.) If they aren't there, all your appeals to "reason" won't matter.

“most people aren’t effected by this disease”

OK so they track everyone and those who obey receive a large paycheck. Also the entire military would be involved in monitoring and enforcing So either obey or suffer the consequences is for the greater good God dammit

tree_ wrote:OK so they track everyone and those who obey receive a large paycheck. Also the entire military would be involved in monitoring and enforcing So either obey or suffer the consequences is for the greater good God dammit

This really appeals to you?

Also it’s not even that fucking hard when you have the supplies and are prepared. Just watch a bunch of movies and eat popcorn you dummies

tree_ wrote:OK so they track everyone and those who obey receive a large paycheck. Also the entire military would be involved in monitoring and enforcing So either obey or suffer the consequences is for the greater good God dammit

tree sounds like that scene in Attack of the Clones where Anakin outlines his political ideas to Padme.

4/5 wrote:

tree_ wrote:OK so they track everyone and those who obey receive a large paycheck. Also the entire military would be involved in monitoring and enforcing So either obey or suffer the consequences is for the greater good God dammit

This really appeals to you?

Considering it would’ve saved hundreds of millions of lives yeah

Simple Torture wrote:

tree_ wrote:OK so they track everyone and those who obey receive a large paycheck. Also the entire military would be involved in monitoring and enforcing So either obey or suffer the consequences is for the greater good God dammit

tree sounds like that scene in Attack of the Clones where Anakin outlines his political ideas to Padme.

What’s wrong about forcing people to stay inside when they have everything they need and only for like two weeks? To save countless lives and turmoil. It’s not like a prison camp

tree_ wrote:OK so they track everyone and those who obey receive a large paycheck. Also the entire military would be involved in monitoring and enforcing So either obey or suffer the consequences is for the greater good God dammit

What are some possible negative consequences or costs for living in a country where the military can force everyone into their homes for two weeks? What kind of values would a society have to accept to make that society possible?

tree_ wrote:What’s wrong about forcing people to stay inside when they have everything they need and only for like two weeks? To save countless lives and turmoil. It’s not like a prison camp

"just this once..."

Ideally it would only be for the right reasons and people would buy in and only those on the fringe would have any problem with this. But yeah I know most people are stupid so this will never work and we’re all doomed