Red Mosquito

McParadigm wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

McParadigm wrote:Buzzfeed? Almost certainly. The rest of it seems increasingly to be true.

The FBI following up on this is not an endorsement of the documents, it's the due diligence they are required to do in the case of receiving intel from previously leveraged assets. Remember this was originally from an effort to gather anti-Trump intel to use against him during the election, and yes it appears to have been passed to the FBI a while ago, but isn't that exactly how disinformation campaigns work? Create a narrative that is several true things, followed by something the reader wants to believe, followed by something the author wants the reader to believe. Without the actual context of how this was presented in the classified briefing last week, everything is pure speculation and opinion-based manipulation at this point.

The danger here is that if this is not supported by other evidence, then it will be the keystone that builds the last wall in the Trumpettes minds about the legitimacy of political journalism.


EDIT: Ironically after pizzagate, 4chan now claims to be the source of the "shower" material.

It's absolutely true that it is inappropriate to draw deep conclusions about what is an unsubstantiated claim. It's also true, in this instance, that the claim has...

1. Existed for some time (even floating around the public sphere for months. And during that same time, an extensive intelligence operation was underway to understand Russia's actions and intent. Clearly none of what they have heard or learned has done anything to discredit that report. In fact, there are elements to it (the timing of Trump's Russian trips, the hotels he chose to stay in, how it all compares to Russian strategies in the past) that would be fairly easy discredibility points.

2. It fits terribly well with so many other stories along the way. Trump aids being in contact with questionable Russian figures, Manafort, Russia's bragging about how "good" Russian/American relations will be under Trump, etc. In what has been a very long running narrative now, there just hasn't really been a single moment that seems to revoke credibility on this.

McParadigm wrote:And that's for the extremely sensationalist stuff that's probably not real. He's got a far steeper hill to climb on the "honestly I would never lie about Russia blackmailing me" line...and the fact that he helped build the hill just lends it all so much credibility.

wease wrote:McP, I expect a minute-by-minute report during hiis press conference today.

If he still has it.

McParadigm wrote:I will be the biggest jobs producer that God ever created

B wrote:A blind trust is impossible because Trump knows he owns Trump tower? *sigh*

dimejinky99 wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

so what? He wasn't doing it while he was president. We all have weird sexual things we've done in our past. What's the deal?

I think in theory, more damning video --> more leverage they may hold over him.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

so what? He wasn't doing it while he was president. We all have weird sexual things we've done in our past. What's the deal?

I think in theory, more damning video --> more leverage they may hold over him.

I'm glad video cameras were big and clunky back in my sexually deviant days. I would have known if there was filming going on.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:or are we not talking about the peeing thing