Red Mosquito

Mickey wrote:I wonder what conservatives think about last night. Is Will Smith a hero for fulfilling the role of patriarch and defending his family? Is Chris Rock just another victim of cancel culture and the loony left's policing of language? Is the whole thing a big pedophile celebration? Much to consider.

spike wrote:whoever said ten pages ago that the joke was racially loaded, please explain yourself.

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Ms Harmless wrote:I'm not going to say "Will is crazy" based on any of the evidence given here, sorry

Would you feel comfortable if he were in the front row and your job was to make the audience laugh?

you're asking a disabled trans girl, someone who is the subject of bad comedy constantly; I wouldn't fear being punched because I would go out of my way to not base my comedy around insulting people; it's easier than you think

Again, pretty sure he was just complimenting how well she was pulling off the short hair... and yet he gets physically assaulted.. so may be harder than you think. Maybe you could just joke about, like, .. well i guess there's nothing left when there's crazy in the room

you can parrot "she's hot though" till you're blue in the face, it doesn't get any deeper

No, listen.. it's what he said. He said, you look like her, who is attractive. He thought short her was her choice, her style, and complimented her. I struggle to see any insult there. Even more so now that he says he didn't even know she had baldness. You struggle to not find an insult, because it's your default.

he used none of those words, not one

we are arguing over things we think he was silently conferring, and you are trying to re-steer me into some correct position in which your interpretation of what he was inferring -- if we read between the lines -- is the right one

it's weird

I'm going to quote him word for word, so we can leave interpretations out of it:

"Jada, I love ya, GI Jane 2, can't wait to see it, alright?"

then he begins to look as baffled as I feel

he didn't literally say anything you're arguing he literally said

Point taken. I did extrapolate. Love you, meaning, he loves her. That's already a sign he's being nice. Then, he says, GI Jane 2, ... knowing Chris Rock thought her hairstyle was a choice, he was just saying, you have short hair. He didn't say it was ugly, or say anything like that. Right? Wouldn't you think he'd compare her to someone unattractive like Shrek if he were trying to hurt her feelings, instead of Demi Moore? Just tell me how you think any of that is insulting, please.

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Mickey wrote:I wonder what conservatives think about last night. Is Will Smith a hero for fulfilling the role of patriarch and defending his family? Is Chris Rock just another victim of cancel culture and the loony left's policing of language? Is the whole thing a big pedophile celebration? Much to consider.

who cares what they think?

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spike wrote:whoever said ten pages ago that the joke was racially loaded, please explain yourself.

yeah, by using the actual text spoken, instead of grasping at straws

Mickey wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Mickey wrote:I wonder what conservatives think about last night. Is Will Smith a hero for fulfilling the role of patriarch and defending his family? Is Chris Rock just another victim of cancel culture and the loony left's policing of language? Is the whole thing a big pedophile celebration? Much to consider.

who cares what they think?

I'm curious about it, the same way I was curious how they wrapped their brains around when Lia Thomas lost to another trans swimmer (female to male). It is interesting to watch an incoherent ideological framework try to assimilate something that exceeds their grasp, on a logical level, and to see how they manage the cognitive dissonance these events introduce.

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tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

warehouse wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:I'm not going to say "Will is crazy" based on any of the evidence given here, sorry

Would you feel comfortable if he were in the front row and your job was to make the audience laugh?

you're asking a disabled trans girl, someone who is the subject of bad comedy constantly; I wouldn't fear being punched because I would go out of my way to not base my comedy around insulting people; it's easier than you think

Again, pretty sure he was just complimenting how well she was pulling off the short hair... and yet he gets physically assaulted.. so may be harder than you think. Maybe you could just joke about, like, .. well i guess there's nothing left when there's crazy in the room

you can parrot "she's hot though" till you're blue in the face, it doesn't get any deeper

No, listen.. it's what he said. He said, you look like her, who is attractive. He thought short her was her choice, her style, and complimented her. I struggle to see any insult there. Even more so now that he says he didn't even know she had baldness. You struggle to not find an insult, because it's your default.

he used none of those words, not one

we are arguing over things we think he was silently conferring, and you are trying to re-steer me into some correct position in which your interpretation of what he was inferring -- if we read between the lines -- is the right one

it's weird

I'm going to quote him word for word, so we can leave interpretations out of it:

"Jada, I love ya, GI Jane 2, can't wait to see it, alright?"

then he begins to look as baffled as I feel

he didn't literally say anything you're arguing he literally said

Point taken. I did extrapolate. Love you, meaning, he loves her. That's already a sign he's being nice. Then, he says, GI Jane 2, ... knowing Chris Rock thought her hairstyle was a choice, he was just saying, you have short hair. He didn't say it was ugly, or say anything like that. Right? Wouldn't you think he'd compare her to someone unattractive like Shrek if he were trying to hurt her feelings, instead of Demi Moore? Just tell me how you think any of that is insulting, please.

really? amazing

love you Tree uwu

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spike wrote:whoever said ten pages ago that the joke was racially loaded, please explain yourself.

yeah, by using the actual text spoken, instead of grasping at straws

you mean how you used the actual text spoken?

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Mickey wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Mickey wrote:I wonder what conservatives think about last night. Is Will Smith a hero for fulfilling the role of patriarch and defending his family? Is Chris Rock just another victim of cancel culture and the loony left's policing of language? Is the whole thing a big pedophile celebration? Much to consider.

who cares what they think?

I'm curious about it, the same way I was curious how they wrapped their brains around when Lia Thomas lost to another trans swimmer (female to male). It is interesting to watch an incoherent ideological framework try to assimilate something that exceeds their grasp, on a logical level, and to see how they manage the cognitive dissonance these events introduce.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... it-coming/

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Mickey wrote:No, that's not where we land.

we land on you're right, I'm wrong? whatever you want Mickey

Your summary of the above conversation is inaccurate.

you also had an inaccurate summary of my arguments

of course you're gonna say that; of course I'm gonna say that

who wins?

That's also not true--at no point did I attempt to summarize your argument beyond repeating your claim (that Will Smith smacking Chris Rock was an act of resistance, something you said in this very thread).

and I still stand by?

and you repeated to go "lol" and point out how ridiculous it was? it was one word; if you're upset by me interpreting your words and relaying what I understand of them back to you, maybe you'll accept that I might be upset that I typed a whole lot of stuff and you chose one word of it to isolate and mock

I used the word very consciously; it's a word I use when someone employs "violent" means to "punch up", as opposed to when someone is "punching down", or laterally; I don't think I have to explain those concepts to you, but this fight wasn't two men having a contest over the size of their dicks; if it was just that I wouldn't care

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spike wrote:whoever said ten pages ago that the joke was racially loaded, please explain yourself.

yeah, by using the actual text spoken, instead of grasping at straws

you mean how you used the actual text spoken?

yes

Mickey wrote:

washing machine wrote:

Mickey wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Mickey wrote:I wonder what conservatives think about last night. Is Will Smith a hero for fulfilling the role of patriarch and defending his family? Is Chris Rock just another victim of cancel culture and the loony left's policing of language? Is the whole thing a big pedophile celebration? Much to consider.

who cares what they think?

I'm curious about it, the same way I was curious how they wrapped their brains around when Lia Thomas lost to another trans swimmer (female to male). It is interesting to watch an incoherent ideological framework try to assimilate something that exceeds their grasp, on a logical level, and to see how they manage the cognitive dissonance these events introduce.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... it-coming/

That makes sense coming from Rod, but he doesn't represent all conservatives. He doesn't speak for his people.

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tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

spike wrote:whoever said ten pages ago that the joke was racially loaded, please explain yourself.

yeah, by using the actual text spoken, instead of grasping at straws

you mean how you used the actual text spoken?

yes

having the simplest and most lazily thought-through interpretation and extrapolation of the text possible is not the same thing

Mickey wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Mickey wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Mickey wrote:

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Mickey wrote:No, that's not where we land.

we land on you're right, I'm wrong? whatever you want Mickey

Your summary of the above conversation is inaccurate.

you also had an inaccurate summary of my arguments

of course you're gonna say that; of course I'm gonna say that

who wins?

That's also not true--at no point did I attempt to summarize your argument beyond repeating your claim (that Will Smith smacking Chris Rock was an act of resistance, something you said in this very thread).

and I still stand by?

and you repeated to go "lol" and point out how ridiculous it was? it was one word; if you're upset by me interpreting your words and relaying what I understand of them back to you, maybe you'll accept that I might be upset that I typed a whole lot of stuff and you chose one word of it to isolate and mock

I used the word very consciously; it's a word I use when someone employs "violent" means to "punch up", as opposed to when someone is "punching down", or laterally; I don't think I have to explain those concepts to you, but this fight wasn't two men having a contest over the size of their dicks; if it was just that I wouldn't care

If you think I'm upset then you definitely do not have a handle on things here. I am merely pointing out that your summary--that we differ on "relative subjectivities"--is incorrect.

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Mickey wrote:

washing machine wrote:

Mickey wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

Mickey wrote:I wonder what conservatives think about last night. Is Will Smith a hero for fulfilling the role of patriarch and defending his family? Is Chris Rock just another victim of cancel culture and the loony left's policing of language? Is the whole thing a big pedophile celebration? Much to consider.

who cares what they think?

I'm curious about it, the same way I was curious how they wrapped their brains around when Lia Thomas lost to another trans swimmer (female to male). It is interesting to watch an incoherent ideological framework try to assimilate something that exceeds their grasp, on a logical level, and to see how they manage the cognitive dissonance these events introduce.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... it-coming/

That makes sense coming from Rod, but he doesn't represent all conservatives. He doesn't speak for his people.

Oh, you're looking for a Tucker C hot take, aren't you? I can't help you there.

Best I can do is my man Rod and also the conservative-adjacent folks over at reason.com

https://reason.com/2022/03/28/be-like-chris-rock/
https://reason.com/2022/03/28/will-smit ... ls-speech/

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

spike wrote:whoever said ten pages ago that the joke was racially loaded, please explain yourself.

yeah, by using the actual text spoken, instead of grasping at straws

you mean how you used the actual text spoken?

yes

having the simplest and most lazily thought-through interpretation and extrapolation of the text possible is not the same thing

no... it was a simple, dumb joke, which can most easily be interpreted as a compliment.. and you're reading it as lashing out at the bald, black, female community.. i'm just confused how you got there