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zeb wrote:That really couldn't have been better.

This show is like the God is in the Radio or Like Suicide of TV

"True Detective" has finished, and now the debate begins on its legacy. Did it live up to the promise in the first half of the season? Was the story concluded in a satisfactory manner? Is this really one of the greatest shows in TV history? We'll let you hash it out in the comments section, but in this writer's opinion, there hasn't been a TV drama this dense, rich and satisfying in a long, long time. That said, last night's finale did leave a slightly sour taste in the mouths of some. Obviously, **SPOILERS AHEAD**.

So, in "Form And Void," we saw both Rust and Martin near death, only to survive and spend the last quarter of the show involved in a discussion of light versus dark, and the meaning of the universe. As we wrote in our recap, it was a fitting and rather poetic conclusion, with both men changed from what they've experienced. But it wasn't the supernatural finale some were hoping for or tragic conclusion some expected. And writer/creator Nic Pizzolatto shares his approach and some of the other ideas he had going into the finale.

"For me as a storyteller, I want to follow the characters and the story through what they organically demand. And it would have been the easiest thing in the world to kill one or both of these guys," Pizzolatto told HitFix. "I even had an idea where something more mysterious happened to them, where they vanished into the unknown and Gilbough and Papania had to clean up the mess and nobody knows what happens to them. Or it could have gone full blown supernatural. But I think both of those things would have been easy, and they would have denied the sort of realist questions the show had been asking all along. To retreat to the supernatural, or to take the easy dramatic route of killing a character in order to achieve an emotional response from the audience, I thought would have been a disservice to the story. What was more interesting to me is that both these men are left in a place of deliverance, a place where even Cohle might be able to acknowledge the possibility of grace in the world."

And it was a smart choice, giving the finale of "True Detective" a true emotional heft (Rust's story about feeling his daughter's presence and love while on the brink of death is awards reel stuff). But perhaps vexing to many was that the conspiracy around the Tuttle churches stayed in the background and was not fully resolved. Martin even quiets Gilbough and Papania when they start explaining where the investigation has gone. But for Pizzolatto, it was all about making the show as real as possible.

"The conspiracies that I've researched and encountered, they seem to happen very ad hoc: they become conspiracies when it's necessary to have a conspiracy. I think it would have rang false to have Hart and Cohle suddenly clean up 50 years of the culture history that led to Errol Childress, or to get all the men in that video," he explained. "It's important to me, I think, that Cohle says, 'We didn't get em all, Marty,' and Marty says, 'We ain't going to. This isn't that kind of world.' This isn't the kind of world where you mop up everything. We discharged our duty, but of course there are levels and wheels and historical contexts to what happened that we'll never be able to touch."

It's a brave position to take, and a choice that leaves the world of "True Detective" as complex and unfair and haunted as it was when we entered. But now, the big question: what's happening with season two? Well, Pizzolatto is already putting pen to paper, for another conspiratorial tale, but one that seems to be more national in scope.

"Okay. This is really early, but I'll tell you (it's about) hard women, bad men and the secret occult history of the United States transportation system," the writer shared. Damn.

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Harry Lime wrote:I think everyone in the feminist thread will tune in for Season 2.

Nic Pizzolatto on the finale and what's next:

"I even had an idea where something more mysterious happened to them, where they vanished into the unknown and Gilbough and Papania had to clean up the mess and nobody knows what happens to them."

Halfway through the episode i fully believed this was gonna happen, that or r they were gonna bleed out but no one would find them. I kept willing marty to go back onto the road and find a phone signal.

The chase through the aqueducts or whatever the fuck it was almost gave me a heart attack.

Errol and his wife sister were creepy as shit. The accent thing, the dolls, the dead dad (i think) tied to a table, errols creeepy ass ramblings- he kept calling rust 'prince' in the aqueduct thing.

The dude from the bar being a badass sniper was glorious.

The entire end scenes in the hospitals i kept expecting them to be shot/stealthily killed cause the hospital is owned by Tuttles or something. Them fucking Tuttles man, still roaming around. I still wanna know about the ritual shit, was the aqueduct maze thing part of the whole ritual killing thing/tuttle conspiracy or was that just errols own nuttiness?

I can't believe there was a happy ending. I don't know if later on i'll feel like it was out of place or something but for now i'm pretty happy cause i'm pretty sure this is what happens next:

stupidmop wrote:I don't want this to eeenndddd. I want a series following Hart and Cohle Private Investigators , operating out of a dive bar.

I'm gonna hold on to the vague hope that one day the writer writes a sequel/ prequel novel or something.

spike wrote:i think errol was saying priest

psychobain wrote:yeah, whats up with the prince/king thing

any thoughts?

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I'm kinda thinking that errol/ladou etc are the crazier byproduct of whatever the elder tuttles/childress' were doing, like they were into some er 'tamer' ritual killing/child molestation/old school pagan/voudoo shit but they weren't actually crazy. As a result of seeing all that stuff , Errol et al are actually bugfuck crazy and ran with the whole yellow king carcoza crap and the higher ups covered thier tracks so nothing could be linked back to them. Though, that doesnt explain why they'd just let them carry on. Hmmm.

This is late night rambling and im 100% sure this isnt what they were going for, but the end hospital scenes kinda felt like it could be some kind of afterlife thing...hence everyone being relatively happy, marty and rust surviving some pretty heavy injuries...but still not the actual end/afterlife. Time is a flat circle, people keep dying, they keep detecting, rust is unkillable etc idk.

Varis wrote:I'm 4 episodes into this thing and I must say it is excellent so far. Love the characterisation, acting and cinematography. The birds taking off into a swirl is one of my favourite tv images in a long time.

And those titties....Man Alive.

I've only read up to 5 pages into this thread - I'll catch you guys at the end. Carry on.

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I hate to spoil this for all you guys but you need to do some research on the actual book the yellow king and on Corcosa and the entire H.P. Lovecraft world.

The yellow king author was an influence on lovecraft.

Corcosa is a city on a planet in another universe, its a universe that if we visited would instantly drive us insane, (so would seeing the play "The Yellow King").

The only way to access this other universe is through ancient incantations, occult activity and performing abominations which twist our reality to the point that a gateway opens, that gateway would lead to that other universe.

What Rust saw was that gateway, chances are you have to be a bit clairvoyant to even sense it but Rust is a fairly deep and "sensitive" (as in clairvoyant) character.

I also know that the writer is ok with you thinking its not real, in fact he would prefer most people think it was a hallucination of Rusts, the "reality" of the show is that Rust saw a portal to another dimension, created from sheer pain, terror and horror beyond normal human experience but the writer knows that the underlying supernatural references might turn off the hardcore "detective" type TV watchers, in other words he wants the skeptics to remain skeptical but wants to tip the hat to the sci fi/horror lovers out there, the ones that know better.

Btw, all these ideas were also used by Clive Barker when he made Hellraiser, the idea that pain was a whole other dimension and that we could access that dimension by creating abominations, in hellraisers case it was the lament configuration, in the True Detectives case it was the occult torture and killing of people, same ideas.