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Strat wrote:I think I read somewhere, that it has a lot to do with tax credits and write offs for businesss/corporations. If all employee's are working from home, they can lose out on such things.

I believe local governments are really pushing for RTO on the back end as well as many downtown areas are struggling and part of that is people aren't down there working anymore. High vacancies, businesses leaving etc. So, lots of tax dollars being left on the table for local governments as well.

Thank you, friend Strat, for the well-thought, reasonable response.

From a business standpoint i would say they also want a RTO to justify paying the lease on their office

Peeps wrote:From a business standpoint i would say they also want a RTO to justify paying the lease on their office

That was one point I was referring to as far as being cheaper. They could go to smaller spaces and save money by them working from home.

Strat wrote:I think I read somewhere, that it has a lot to do with tax credits and write offs for businesss/corporations. If all employee's are working from home, they can lose out on such things.

I believe local governments are really pushing for RTO on the back end as well as many downtown areas are struggling and part of that is people aren't down there working anymore. High vacancies, businesses leaving etc. So, lots of tax dollars being left on the table for local governments as well.

It’s one of the many ways that we are in the “don’t fix your problems, and then watch them all compound” valley right now.

Our local economic model breaks down if people aren’t commuting to work. But our travel infrastructure isn’t built to manage the current volume of people commuting to work, and high commuter rates exacerbate our home and rent problems. Concentrating high pay work geographically also results in concentration of services, experiences, and opportunities, pulling them ever further away from rural areas.

In every way and every day, we continue to not solve our problems. We just keep pushing the old model solutions that much harder, blaming each other when they break. We ache to believe that the old common sense is still the modern common sense. We stomp our feet and say “make it yesterday.” History’s great failures.

wease wrote:

Peeps wrote:From a business standpoint i would say they also want a RTO to justify paying the lease on their office

That was one point I was referring to as far as being cheaper. They could go to smaller spaces and save money by them working from home.

you would think that but some people look at a office as prestige. catered lunches, conference rooms, instant access to help etc...it shouldnt be a high perk on ones checklist to work at a company but it is on the checklist

Strat wrote:I think I read somewhere, that it has a lot to do with tax credits and write offs for businesss/corporations. If all employee's are working from home, they can lose out on such things.

I believe local governments are really pushing for RTO on the back end as well as many downtown areas are struggling and part of that is people aren't down there working anymore. High vacancies, businesses leaving etc. So, lots of tax dollars being left on the table for local governments as well.

Yeah there are a lot of things that go into it like that, along with trying to get people to quit without giving severance .

With our industry they try to bribe us with things like fancy break rooms and pool tables and whatnot, but then they don't want you using that stuff on company time, so it's a pretty empty gesture.

these days i really love the idea of a salary and benefits. Im gonna be working till i die at this rate, but i guess ill be living my life the way i see fit by working from home and by myself?

wease wrote:Why is RTO such an issue with MAGA? Surely it’s a cheaper option and as long as the work is done, why does it matter where it’s done?

Because there is a perception of "fairness" that they feel has been violated. WFH during the pandemic gave a lot of people a look at a life they will never have again, that tens of thousands of remote feds have been living, and it hardly seems fair that in an era of increasing taxes and trillions in budgets those public servants get to chill at home while those who pay their salaries have to pray traffic lets up in time to get their kids from daycare without a late charge. That's not perceived as 'for the good of the nation'. That's not perceived as 'we are in this together'. That's perceived as an entrenched bureaucracy that only serves itself.

Bi_3 wrote:

wease wrote:Why is RTO such an issue with MAGA? Surely it’s a cheaper option and as long as the work is done, why does it matter where it’s done?

Because there is a perception of "fairness" that they feel has been violated. WFH during the pandemic gave a lot of people a look at a life they will never have again, that tens of thousands of remote feds have been living, and it hardly seems fair that in an era of increasing taxes and trillions in budgets those public servants get to chill at home while those who pay their salaries have to pray traffic lets up in time to get their kids from daycare without a late charge. That's not perceived as 'for the good of the nation'. That's not perceived as 'we are in this together'. That's perceived as an entrenched bureaucracy that only serves itself.

So you are saying they want to make everyone feel fair and welcome?

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

wease wrote:Why is RTO such an issue with MAGA? Surely it’s a cheaper option and as long as the work is done, why does it matter where it’s done?

Because there is a perception of "fairness" that they feel has been violated. WFH during the pandemic gave a lot of people a look at a life they will never have again, that tens of thousands of remote feds have been living, and it hardly seems fair that in an era of increasing taxes and trillions in budgets those public servants get to chill at home while those who pay their salaries have to pray traffic lets up in time to get their kids from daycare without a late charge. That's not perceived as 'for the good of the nation'. That's not perceived as 'we are in this together'. That's perceived as an entrenched bureaucracy that only serves itself.

So you are saying they want to make everyone feel fair and welcome?

Conservative ideas of fairness tend to be negative - I suffered so you should suffer too.

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E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

wease wrote:Why is RTO such an issue with MAGA? Surely it’s a cheaper option and as long as the work is done, why does it matter where it’s done?

Because there is a perception of "fairness" that they feel has been violated. WFH during the pandemic gave a lot of people a look at a life they will never have again, that tens of thousands of remote feds have been living, and it hardly seems fair that in an era of increasing taxes and trillions in budgets those public servants get to chill at home while those who pay their salaries have to pray traffic lets up in time to get their kids from daycare without a late charge. That's not perceived as 'for the good of the nation'. That's not perceived as 'we are in this together'. That's perceived as an entrenched bureaucracy that only serves itself.

So you are saying they want to make everyone feel fair and welcome?

I'm not sure that follows. Maybe look at it this way; the federal workforce is funded by the private workforce. Maybe it's through taxes or maybe it's through printing/inflation or through fees to a state monopoly (patent office for example). No matter the color of the money, those jobs are a cost to taxpayers and because they are paying for them, taxpayers should have, via their elected officials, the ability to put conditions on them to avoid abuse just as the private sector employers does to their workers. One of those conditions is now "I've seen remote work and you don't get to work remotely anymore on my dime". The entire salaried labor market has been dealing with this for the last few years and it's totally reasonable to expect federal workers have to do it too.

Bi_3 wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

wease wrote:Why is RTO such an issue with MAGA? Surely it’s a cheaper option and as long as the work is done, why does it matter where it’s done?

Because there is a perception of "fairness" that they feel has been violated. WFH during the pandemic gave a lot of people a look at a life they will never have again, that tens of thousands of remote feds have been living, and it hardly seems fair that in an era of increasing taxes and trillions in budgets those public servants get to chill at home while those who pay their salaries have to pray traffic lets up in time to get their kids from daycare without a late charge. That's not perceived as 'for the good of the nation'. That's not perceived as 'we are in this together'. That's perceived as an entrenched bureaucracy that only serves itself.

So you are saying they want to make everyone feel fair and welcome?

I'm not sure that follows. Maybe look at it this way; the federal workforce is funded by the private workforce. Maybe it's through taxes or maybe it's through printing/inflation or through fees to a state monopoly (patent office for example). No matter the color of the money, those jobs are a cost to taxpayers and because they are paying for them, taxpayers should have, via their elected officials, the ability to put conditions on them to avoid abuse just as the private sector employers does to their workers. One of those conditions is now "I've seen remote work and you don't get to work remotely anymore on my dime". The entire salaried labor market has been dealing with this for the last few years and it's totally reasonable to expect federal workers have to do it too.

there have been more than enough studies that show people are actually more productive working from home. never mind it cuts down on face to face meetings that could easily be resolved in slack/teams or the dreaded zoom meeting. any RTO that may or may not come down the pike for me is irrelevant since my job pretty much dictates i am in the office to help people out.

Peeps wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

wease wrote:Why is RTO such an issue with MAGA? Surely it’s a cheaper option and as long as the work is done, why does it matter where it’s done?

Because there is a perception of "fairness" that they feel has been violated. WFH during the pandemic gave a lot of people a look at a life they will never have again, that tens of thousands of remote feds have been living, and it hardly seems fair that in an era of increasing taxes and trillions in budgets those public servants get to chill at home while those who pay their salaries have to pray traffic lets up in time to get their kids from daycare without a late charge. That's not perceived as 'for the good of the nation'. That's not perceived as 'we are in this together'. That's perceived as an entrenched bureaucracy that only serves itself.

So you are saying they want to make everyone feel fair and welcome?

I'm not sure that follows. Maybe look at it this way; the federal workforce is funded by the private workforce. Maybe it's through taxes or maybe it's through printing/inflation or through fees to a state monopoly (patent office for example). No matter the color of the money, those jobs are a cost to taxpayers and because they are paying for them, taxpayers should have, via their elected officials, the ability to put conditions on them to avoid abuse just as the private sector employers does to their workers. One of those conditions is now "I've seen remote work and you don't get to work remotely anymore on my dime". The entire salaried labor market has been dealing with this for the last few years and it's totally reasonable to expect federal workers have to do it too.

there have been more than enough studies that show people are actually more productive working from home. never mind it cuts down on face to face meetings that could easily be resolved in slack/teams or the dreaded zoom meeting. any RTO that may or may not come down the pike for me is irrelevant since my job pretty much dictates i am in the office to help people out.

The point isn't about productivity. It's about a perception of equity and fairness between the experiences of taxpayers working the private sector and folks in the federal public sector. The idea is that public bureaucracies do not get to use their monopoly power to avoid the realities of the labor market anymore.

Bi_3 wrote:

Peeps wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

wease wrote:Why is RTO such an issue with MAGA? Surely it’s a cheaper option and as long as the work is done, why does it matter where it’s done?

Because there is a perception of "fairness" that they feel has been violated. WFH during the pandemic gave a lot of people a look at a life they will never have again, that tens of thousands of remote feds have been living, and it hardly seems fair that in an era of increasing taxes and trillions in budgets those public servants get to chill at home while those who pay their salaries have to pray traffic lets up in time to get their kids from daycare without a late charge. That's not perceived as 'for the good of the nation'. That's not perceived as 'we are in this together'. That's perceived as an entrenched bureaucracy that only serves itself.

So you are saying they want to make everyone feel fair and welcome?

I'm not sure that follows. Maybe look at it this way; the federal workforce is funded by the private workforce. Maybe it's through taxes or maybe it's through printing/inflation or through fees to a state monopoly (patent office for example). No matter the color of the money, those jobs are a cost to taxpayers and because they are paying for them, taxpayers should have, via their elected officials, the ability to put conditions on them to avoid abuse just as the private sector employers does to their workers. One of those conditions is now "I've seen remote work and you don't get to work remotely anymore on my dime". The entire salaried labor market has been dealing with this for the last few years and it's totally reasonable to expect federal workers have to do it too.

there have been more than enough studies that show people are actually more productive working from home. never mind it cuts down on face to face meetings that could easily be resolved in slack/teams or the dreaded zoom meeting. any RTO that may or may not come down the pike for me is irrelevant since my job pretty much dictates i am in the office to help people out.

The point isn't about productivity. It's about a perception of equity and fairness between the experiences of taxpayers working the private sector and folks in the federal public sector. The idea is that public bureaucracies do not get to use their monopoly power to avoid the realities of the labor market anymore.

how big of a baby do you have to be to cry...hey i have to go to the office so you have to too. jesus republicans are a bunch of babies

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