NBA Thread

@SkitchP · Post by **@SkitchP** » Tue January 05, 2016 8:27 pm

turned2black wrote:
@SkitchP wrote:
turned2black wrote:
@SkitchP wrote:I liked Grant Hill, and pretty much agree with you on your point that he was a better player than Pierce. Until he got hurt. Then he was a good/very good role player. Pierce has had a better overall career because of the injuries though.

Peak Grant Hill was better than Paul Pierce, yes. But overall career Pierce has been a better player. He had a couple years of damn near 20/10/7 averages. But Peak Grant Hill was only what, 3 or 4 seasons? Kinda like my "Nick Lidstrom was better than Bobby Orr" belief. That value of longer production eventually (to my mind) overtakes bursts of brilliance.
It's a toss up, really. Pierce's peak years were 25/7/5, then he added a shitload of 20/5/5 years.

In my mind, the "longevity is overrated!" argument is kinda bullshit if the other player (with the bursts of brilliance, as you put it) isn't head-and-shoulders better than the other player.

This isn't a Barry vs. Emmitt scenario.

I agree the longevity is overrated part. Are we even arguing? Im so lost.

nyquillyn · Post by **nyquillyn** » Tue January 05, 2016 8:35 pm

@SkitchP wrote:
turned2black wrote:
@SkitchP wrote:
turned2black wrote:
@SkitchP wrote:I liked Grant Hill, and pretty much agree with you on your point that he was a better player than Pierce. Until he got hurt. Then he was a good/very good role player. Pierce has had a better overall career because of the injuries though.

Peak Grant Hill was better than Paul Pierce, yes. But overall career Pierce has been a better player. He had a couple years of damn near 20/10/7 averages. But Peak Grant Hill was only what, 3 or 4 seasons? Kinda like my "Nick Lidstrom was better than Bobby Orr" belief. That value of longer production eventually (to my mind) overtakes bursts of brilliance.
It's a toss up, really. Pierce's peak years were 25/7/5, then he added a shitload of 20/5/5 years.

In my mind, the "longevity is overrated!" argument is kinda bullshit if the other player (with the bursts of brilliance, as you put it) isn't head-and-shoulders better than the other player.

This isn't a Barry vs. Emmitt scenario.
I agree the longevity is overrated part. Are we even arguing? Im so lost.

I watched the David Morse episode of Homicide. It was very, very good.

@SkitchP · Post by **@SkitchP** » Tue January 05, 2016 8:42 pm

turned2black wrote:
@SkitchP wrote:
turned2black wrote:
@SkitchP wrote:
turned2black wrote:
@SkitchP wrote:I liked Grant Hill, and pretty much agree with you on your point that he was a better player than Pierce. Until he got hurt. Then he was a good/very good role player. Pierce has had a better overall career because of the injuries though.

Peak Grant Hill was better than Paul Pierce, yes. But overall career Pierce has been a better player. He had a couple years of damn near 20/10/7 averages. But Peak Grant Hill was only what, 3 or 4 seasons? Kinda like my "Nick Lidstrom was better than Bobby Orr" belief. That value of longer production eventually (to my mind) overtakes bursts of brilliance.
It's a toss up, really. Pierce's peak years were 25/7/5, then he added a shitload of 20/5/5 years.

In my mind, the "longevity is overrated!" argument is kinda bullshit if the other player (with the bursts of brilliance, as you put it) isn't head-and-shoulders better than the other player.

This isn't a Barry vs. Emmitt scenario.
I agree the longevity is overrated part. Are we even arguing? Im so lost.
I watched the David Morse episode of Homicide. It was very, very good.

He will always be Bayliss cousin to me. That's a very good episode. Does a nice job not feeling too dated, while hitting on some issues of profiling and xenophobia that we're still seeing 20 years later.

Have you previously been a Homicide guy?

nyquillyn · Post by **nyquillyn** » Tue January 05, 2016 8:48 pm

No. It's on my list. I plan on watching it after re-watching The Wire.

I watched that episode after you recommended it when I professed my love for Morse in an A&E thread.

@SkitchP · Post by **@SkitchP** » Tue January 05, 2016 8:59 pm

turned2black wrote:No. It's on my list. I plan on watching it after re-watching The Wire.

I watched that episode after you recommended it when I professed my love for Morse in an A&E thread.

Ah. Well I am glad you enjoyed it. I don't know you that well, but It does feel like Homicide might be right up your alley.

Monkey_Driven · Post by **Monkey_Driven** » Tue January 05, 2016 9:41 pm

Does anyone follow Haralabos Voulgaris on twitter? He loves to go off on bad coaches. Sam Mitchell is in his crosshairs right now.

@SkitchP · Post by **@SkitchP** » Tue January 05, 2016 9:42 pm

I don't do the twitter.

Monkey_Driven · Post by **Monkey_Driven** » Tue January 05, 2016 9:45 pm

@SkitchP wrote:I don't do the twitter.

https://twitter.com/skitchP/status/680484688977367040

@SkitchP · Post by **@SkitchP** » Tue January 05, 2016 9:51 pm

Monkey_Driven wrote:
@SkitchP wrote:I don't do the twitter.
https://twitter.com/skitchP/status/680484688977367040

SOMEONE IS CORRUPTING MY BRANDING

verb_to_trust · Post by **verb_to_trust** » Tue January 05, 2016 11:13 pm

Monkey_Driven wrote:Does anyone follow Haralabos Voulgaris on twitter? He loves to go off on bad coaches. Sam Mitchell is in his crosshairs right now.

Thats the guy that bets on games for a living right? Man what a life.

Monkey_Driven · Post by **Monkey_Driven** » Wed January 06, 2016 1:15 am

verb_to_trust wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:Does anyone follow Haralabos Voulgaris on twitter? He loves to go off on bad coaches. Sam Mitchell is in his crosshairs right now.
Thats the guy that bets on games for a living right? Man what a life.

Yup.

verb_to_trust · Post by **verb_to_trust** » Wed January 06, 2016 3:15 am

Jabari Parker has about 20 lbs of baby fat to get rid of.

Monkey_Driven · Post by **Monkey_Driven** » Wed January 06, 2016 2:56 pm

verb_to_trust wrote:Jabari Parker has about 20 lbs of baby fat to get rid of.

I thought the same thing last night. Kid needs to hit the gym.

E.H. Ruddock · Post by **E.H. Ruddock** » Wed January 06, 2016 3:09 pm

Hey verb, last night I heard someone on your favorite network, ESPN, call Draymond Green the "poor man's LeBron James".
What are your thoughts on this? I'll hang up and listen to your response.

Post by **4/5** » Wed January 06, 2016 4:45 pm

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Hey verb, last night I heard someone on your favorite network, ESPN, call Draymond Green the "poor man's LeBron James".
What are your thoughts on this? I'll hang up and listen to your response.

Post by **4/5** » Wed January 06, 2016 4:46 pm

Does the NBA often address ticky-tack foul calls/non-calls the day after close games? I found it odd that they did so after the Heat/Pacers game. I'm not saying they were incorrect but neither thing seemed so egregious to this homer that it merited the NBA announcing that the refs were wrong.

Monkey_Driven · Post by **Monkey_Driven** » Wed January 06, 2016 4:59 pm

4/5 wrote:Does the NBA often address ticky-tack foul calls/non-calls the day after close games? I found it odd that they did so after the Heat/Pacers game. I'm not saying they were incorrect but neither thing seemed so egregious to this homer that it merited the NBA announcing that the refs were wrong.

Not typically. Maybe they will start to though?

Post by **4/5** » Wed January 06, 2016 6:55 pm

Monkey_Driven wrote:
4/5 wrote:Does the NBA often address ticky-tack foul calls/non-calls the day after close games? I found it odd that they did so after the Heat/Pacers game. I'm not saying they were incorrect but neither thing seemed so egregious to this homer that it merited the NBA announcing that the refs were wrong.
Not typically. Maybe they will start to though?

I have a vague memory of them announcing there would be "more transparency" or something like that this season.

Either way, it was a great game for the Heat. It's looking like Wade finally pulled a Kobe and "went to Germany."

Monkey_Driven · Post by **Monkey_Driven** » Wed January 06, 2016 7:26 pm

4/5 wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
4/5 wrote:Does the NBA often address ticky-tack foul calls/non-calls the day after close games? I found it odd that they did so after the Heat/Pacers game. I'm not saying they were incorrect but neither thing seemed so egregious to this homer that it merited the NBA announcing that the refs were wrong.
Not typically. Maybe they will start to though?
I have a vague memory of them announcing there would be "more transparency" or something like that this season.

Either way, it was a great game for the Heat. It's looking like Wade finally pulled a Kobe and "went to Germany."

I haven't watched many Heat games this year, but from what I've seen they look pretty good. Having Bosh back really helps.

Post by **4/5** » Wed January 06, 2016 8:13 pm

Justise Winslow is already a great defender. You're going to really like him the more you see him.

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