Red Mosquito

durdencommatyler wrote:Guys, wait, so the cameo was forced and unnecessary? Everyone hates it because of Ed? Or people really thought the scene itself was bad, that it was forced and unnecessary?

he didn't need to be the scene joey. there was no reason for it.

Who the fuck cares. If it was some random dude and he had gotten the same amount of screen time no one would have given a shit. It wasn't distracting whatsoever, people only make it so to bitch an complain about something. He didn't promote anything, he doesn't need the exposure, and he didn't ruin anything. Was the scene great? maybe not, but it had nothing to do with the fact that there happened to be a famous pop singer in it. So fucking petty.

Chris_H_2 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Guys, wait, so the cameo was forced and unnecessary? Everyone hates it because of Ed? Or people really thought the scene itself was bad, that it was forced and unnecessary?

he didn't need to be the scene joey. there was no reason for it.

ohmygod

I'm not arguing anything about him being in the goddamn scene. I'm literally just trying to understand if the only reason people hate the scene, the reason people are calling THE SCENE forced and unnecessary is because he's in it. Take him out, is the scene still bad, forced and unnecessary?

also, for me, using someone like that in such a sway kind of blurs the lines between the real world and this as an escape, fantasy world. as chud mentioned before, they used sigur ros at the purple wedding. but not a lot of people know who sigur ros or what they look like. and in any event, they were just a backdrop. same with that drummer from that stupid band coldplay. but this was entirely different.

by the way, it may not sound like it, but i really did get over it pretty quickly.

durdencommatyler wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Guys, wait, so the cameo was forced and unnecessary? Everyone hates it because of Ed? Or people really thought the scene itself was bad, that it was forced and unnecessary?

he didn't need to be the scene joey. there was no reason for it.

ohmygod

I'm not arguing anything about him being in the goddamn scene. I'm literally just trying to understand if the only reason people hate the scene, the reason people are calling THE SCENE forced and unnecessary is because he's in it. Take him out, is the scene still bad, forced and unnecessary?

calm down

Chris_H_2 wrote:also, for me, using someone like that in such a sway kind of blurs the lines between the real world and this as an escape, fantasy world. as chud mentioned before, they used sigur ros at the purple wedding. but not a lot of people know who sigur ros or what they look like. and in any event, they were just a backdrop. same with that drummer from that stupid band coldplay. but this was entirely different.

by the way, it may not sound like it, but i really did get over it pretty quickly.

calm down

durdencommatyler wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Guys, wait, so the cameo was forced and unnecessary? Everyone hates it because of Ed? Or people really thought the scene itself was bad, that it was forced and unnecessary?

he didn't need to be the scene joey. there was no reason for it.

ohmygod

I'm not arguing anything about him being in the goddamn scene. I'm literally just trying to understand if the only reason people hate the scene, the reason people are calling THE SCENE forced and unnecessary is because he's in it. Take him out, is the scene still bad, forced and unnecessary?

Yes, yes, not necessarily (depending on how they handle Arya's arc).

I had a tough time with most Tywin Lannister scenes because the guy from Alien 3 was in them.

ABNorman wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Guys, wait, so the cameo was forced and unnecessary? Everyone hates it because of Ed? Or people really thought the scene itself was bad, that it was forced and unnecessary?

he didn't need to be the scene joey. there was no reason for it.

ohmygod

I'm not arguing anything about him being in the goddamn scene. I'm literally just trying to understand if the only reason people hate the scene, the reason people are calling THE SCENE forced and unnecessary is because he's in it. Take him out, is the scene still bad, forced and unnecessary?

Yes, yes, not necessarily (depending on how they handle Arya's arc).

Thank you.

So, why? What about it -- besides Ed -- did people find so awful?

durdencommatyler wrote:

ABNorman wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Guys, wait, so the cameo was forced and unnecessary? Everyone hates it because of Ed? Or people really thought the scene itself was bad, that it was forced and unnecessary?

he didn't need to be the scene joey. there was no reason for it.

ohmygod

I'm not arguing anything about him being in the goddamn scene. I'm literally just trying to understand if the only reason people hate the scene, the reason people are calling THE SCENE forced and unnecessary is because he's in it. Take him out, is the scene still bad, forced and unnecessary?

Yes, yes, not necessarily (depending on how they handle Arya's arc).

Thank you.

So, why? What about it -- besides Ed -- did people find so awful?

In my case Sheeran threw me off to begin with - so I was wrenched straight out from the beginning (and oh god, that "it's a new one" wink-wink line).

BUT, I thought the acting all round was bad - which might be a function of having a few normal fellas inserted into the Game of Thrones world - they didn't really have anything interesting to act with. And the scene was dull - better choices could've been made to further Arya's story.

Interesting. Thank you for actually responding, Norman. I appreciate it.

Wow, I'm glad I didn't know who he was so it didn't bother me like it did others.

I was more bothered by Euron's character. I thought he wouldn't be so... jovial?

WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT ED SHEERAN

@SkitchP wrote:WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT ED SHEERAN

calm down

@SkitchP wrote:WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT ED SHEERAN

https://www.livenation.com/events/65517 ... ed-sheeran

@SkitchP wrote:WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT ED SHEERAN

I love you so much.

durdencommatyler wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT ED SHEERAN

I love you so much.

It's really the most ridiculous thing to get upset over. A guy you don't like is on a show you like for 4 minutes and has 3 lines!!! 4

And why even dislike Ed Sheeran? I dont like his music much be he seems like a fun dude.

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:I guess this is also one of those instances with Cersei where I just prefer the arc the book had for her. At no point in the novels is Cersei ever a sympathetic character. She leans that way at times in the show and it infuriates me. So combining those two things just gets to me. But like I said, this is really just a narrative preference for me.

And this is one of the tremendous strengths of the show in general and Lena especially.

cutuphalfdead wrote:I'll be honest and admit my complaints with Sansa are simply that I like the book better. There are some passages from her time in King's landing where she's set up to be more of an anti-Cersei, a Queen to be loved, not feared. And it makes me nervous in the show here she says stuff like "I learned so much from her".

You're far more familiar with the books than I am, so I'll concede the Sansa points but I don't remember getting that impression from the book.

There are passages in either ACOK or ASOS where there's talk of fear vs love. At one point Cersei makes the case for power coming from your subjects fearing you, and Sansa is just nodding her to death but in her inner monologue thinks something like "No, when I'm Queen I'll make them love me." Every time I've read it it just seems to be dripping with foreshadowing of Sansa as a powerful anti-Cersei queen.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:I guess this is also one of those instances with Cersei where I just prefer the arc the book had for her. At no point in the novels is Cersei ever a sympathetic character. She leans that way at times in the show and it infuriates me. So combining those two things just gets to me. But like I said, this is really just a narrative preference for me.

And this is one of the tremendous strengths of the show in general and Lena especially.

cutuphalfdead wrote:I'll be honest and admit my complaints with Sansa are simply that I like the book better. There are some passages from her time in King's landing where she's set up to be more of an anti-Cersei, a Queen to be loved, not feared. And it makes me nervous in the show here she says stuff like "I learned so much from her".

You're far more familiar with the books than I am, so I'll concede the Sansa points but I don't remember getting that impression from the book.

There are passages in either ACOK or ASOS where there's talk of fear vs love. At one point Cersei makes the case for power coming from your subjects fearing you, and Sansa is just nodding her to death but in her inner monologue thinks something like "No, when I'm Queen I'll make them love me." Every time I've read it it just seems to be dripping with foreshadowing of Sansa as a powerful anti-Cersei queen.

Which is...

A.) entirely still possible
B.) may not at all be how the books end

ABNorman wrote:When I heard the singing, I thought "hmm, that sounds a bit modern"

The song is directly lifted from the books. Symion Silvertongue wrote it about Tyrion's secret lover (Shae) and Tyrion

Spoiler: show

has him gruesomely murdered for it.