HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)

[Norah]

I guess this is also one of those instances with Cersei where I just prefer the arc the book had for her. At no point in the novels is Cersei ever a sympathetic character. She leans that way at times in the show and it infuriates me. So combining those two things just gets to me. But like I said, this is really just a narrative preference for me.

And this is one of the tremendous strengths of the show in general and Lena especially.

I'll be honest and admit my complaints with Sansa are simply that I like the book better. There are some passages from her time in King's landing where she's set up to be more of an anti-Cersei, a Queen to be loved, not feared. And it makes me nervous in the show here she says stuff like "I learned so much from her".

You're far more familiar with the books than I am, so I'll concede the Sansa points but I don't remember getting that impression from the book.

There are passages in either ACOK or ASOS where there's talk of fear vs love. At one point Cersei makes the case for power coming from your subjects fearing you, and Sansa is just nodding her to death but in her inner monologue thinks something like "No, when I'm Queen I'll make them love me." Every time I've read it it just seems to be dripping with foreshadowing of Sansa as a powerful anti-Cersei queen.

Which is...

A.) entirely still possible
B.) may not at all be how the books end

You're right. If only the author had a track record of foreshadowing we could base our estimations on.

[Norah]

also, for me, using someone like that in such a sway kind of blurs the lines between the real world and this as an escape, fantasy world. as chud mentioned before, they used sigur ros at the purple wedding. but not a lot of people know who sigur ros or what they look like. and in any event, they were just a backdrop. same with that drummer from that stupid band coldplay. but this was entirely different.

by the way, it may not sound like it, but i really did get over it pretty quickly.

I didn't recognize this Ed kid at all.

[ABNorman]

When I heard the singing, I thought "hmm, that sounds a bit modern"

The song is directly lifted from the books. Symion Silvertongue wrote it about Tyrion's secret lover (Shae) and Tyrion

Spoiler: show

has him gruesomely murdered for it.

Oh, I didn't mean the lyrics.

[@SkitchP]

I guess this is also one of those instances with Cersei where I just prefer the arc the book had for her. At no point in the novels is Cersei ever a sympathetic character. She leans that way at times in the show and it infuriates me. So combining those two things just gets to me. But like I said, this is really just a narrative preference for me.

And this is one of the tremendous strengths of the show in general and Lena especially.

I'll be honest and admit my complaints with Sansa are simply that I like the book better. There are some passages from her time in King's landing where she's set up to be more of an anti-Cersei, a Queen to be loved, not feared. And it makes me nervous in the show here she says stuff like "I learned so much from her".

You're far more familiar with the books than I am, so I'll concede the Sansa points but I don't remember getting that impression from the book.

There are passages in either ACOK or ASOS where there's talk of fear vs love. At one point Cersei makes the case for power coming from your subjects fearing you, and Sansa is just nodding her to death but in her inner monologue thinks something like "No, when I'm Queen I'll make them love me." Every time I've read it it just seems to be dripping with foreshadowing of Sansa as a powerful anti-Cersei queen.

Which is...

A.) entirely still possible
B.) may not at all be how the books end

You're right. If only the author had a track record of foreshadowing we could base our estimations on.

He also has a history of shocking twists and characters being permanently altered and scarred by the things theyve witnessed and seen.

In the show Sansa could see the act of a king or queen acting noble (perhaps jon toward the Castarks and Umbers) and realize the value of making them love her.

Or in the books she could see that same type of thing failing and devolve into Cersei.

[Chris_H_2]

WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT ED SHEERAN

I love you so much.

It's really the most ridiculous thing to get upset over. A guy you don't like is on a show you like for 4 minutes and has 3 lines!!! 4

And why even dislike Ed Sheeran? I dont like his music much be he seems like a fun dude.

this post is dripping with irony

[@SkitchP]

WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT ED SHEERAN

I love you so much.

It's really the most ridiculous thing to get upset over. A guy you don't like is on a show you like for 4 minutes and has 3 lines!!! 4

And why even dislike Ed Sheeran? I dont like his music much be he seems like a fun dude.

this post is dripping with irony

Not really. It seems like a really dumb thing for people to be upset about.

[malice]

Who the fuck cares. If it was some random dude and he had gotten the same amount of screen time no one would have given a shit. It wasn't distracting whatsoever, people only make it so to bitch an complain about something. He didn't promote anything, he doesn't need the exposure, and he didn't ruin anything. Was the scene great? maybe not, but it had nothing to do with the fact that there happened to be a famous pop singer in it. So fucking petty.

to me, who had no clue who ed sheeran is, it actually was just some random dude. And provided no irritation whatsoever as i watched the show. weird, yeah?

[kreng]

WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT ED SHEERAN

https://www.livenation.com/events/65517 ... ed-sheeran

hey look, that extra from Game Of Thrones is giving a concert!

[Chris_H_2]

WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT ED SHEERAN

I love you so much.

It's really the most ridiculous thing to get upset over. A guy you don't like is on a show you like for 4 minutes and has 3 lines!!! 4

And why even dislike Ed Sheeran? I dont like his music much be he seems like a fun dude.

this post is dripping with irony

Not really. It seems like a really dumb thing for people to be upset about.

sure. but it certainly seems like some are a little bit more apoplectic than the actual people that may be upset about ed sheeran.

as i said, i got over it pretty quickly. but i can also understand how people could've been put off.

[epilogue]

I guess this is also one of those instances with Cersei where I just prefer the arc the book had for her. At no point in the novels is Cersei ever a sympathetic character. She leans that way at times in the show and it infuriates me. So combining those two things just gets to me. But like I said, this is really just a narrative preference for me.

And this is one of the tremendous strengths of the show in general and Lena especially.

I'll be honest and admit my complaints with Sansa are simply that I like the book better. There are some passages from her time in King's landing where she's set up to be more of an anti-Cersei, a Queen to be loved, not feared. And it makes me nervous in the show here she says stuff like "I learned so much from her".

You're far more familiar with the books than I am, so I'll concede the Sansa points but I don't remember getting that impression from the book.

There are passages in either ACOK or ASOS where there's talk of fear vs love. At one point Cersei makes the case for power coming from your subjects fearing you, and Sansa is just nodding her to death but in her inner monologue thinks something like "No, when I'm Queen I'll make them love me." Every time I've read it it just seems to be dripping with foreshadowing of Sansa as a powerful anti-Cersei queen.

Yeah, that's interesting. I never read it that way. At the time that read more sad to me, more like vanity and naïveté to me.

[@SkitchP]

WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT ED SHEERAN

I love you so much.

It's really the most ridiculous thing to get upset over. A guy you don't like is on a show you like for 4 minutes and has 3 lines!!! 4

And why even dislike Ed Sheeran? I dont like his music much be he seems like a fun dude.

this post is dripping with irony

Not really. It seems like a really dumb thing for people to be upset about.

sure. but it certainly seems like some are a little bit more apoplectic than the actual people that may be upset about ed sheeran.

as i said, i got over it pretty quickly. but i can also understand how people could've been put off.

He was getting so much hate he deactivated his twitter.

[Norah]

I guess this is also one of those instances with Cersei where I just prefer the arc the book had for her. At no point in the novels is Cersei ever a sympathetic character. She leans that way at times in the show and it infuriates me. So combining those two things just gets to me. But like I said, this is really just a narrative preference for me.

And this is one of the tremendous strengths of the show in general and Lena especially.

I'll be honest and admit my complaints with Sansa are simply that I like the book better. There are some passages from her time in King's landing where she's set up to be more of an anti-Cersei, a Queen to be loved, not feared. And it makes me nervous in the show here she says stuff like "I learned so much from her".

You're far more familiar with the books than I am, so I'll concede the Sansa points but I don't remember getting that impression from the book.

There are passages in either ACOK or ASOS where there's talk of fear vs love. At one point Cersei makes the case for power coming from your subjects fearing you, and Sansa is just nodding her to death but in her inner monologue thinks something like "No, when I'm Queen I'll make them love me." Every time I've read it it just seems to be dripping with foreshadowing of Sansa as a powerful anti-Cersei queen.

Yeah, that's interesting. I never read it that way. At the time that read more sad to me, more like vanity and naïveté to me.

I'm not saying it's a strong sense of determination to be loved on Sansa's part, it's just a cue from the author to the reader. At least that's how I've always read it.

[Chris_H_2]

WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT ED SHEERAN

I love you so much.

It's really the most ridiculous thing to get upset over. A guy you don't like is on a show you like for 4 minutes and has 3 lines!!! 4

And why even dislike Ed Sheeran? I dont like his music much be he seems like a fun dude.

this post is dripping with irony

Not really. It seems like a really dumb thing for people to be upset about.

sure. but it certainly seems like some are a little bit more apoplectic than the actual people that may be upset about ed sheeran.

as i said, i got over it pretty quickly. but i can also understand how people could've been put off.

He was getting so much hate he deactivated his twitter.

actually, i was referring to people here

[epilogue]

I guess this is also one of those instances with Cersei where I just prefer the arc the book had for her. At no point in the novels is Cersei ever a sympathetic character. She leans that way at times in the show and it infuriates me. So combining those two things just gets to me. But like I said, this is really just a narrative preference for me.

And this is one of the tremendous strengths of the show in general and Lena especially.

I'll be honest and admit my complaints with Sansa are simply that I like the book better. There are some passages from her time in King's landing where she's set up to be more of an anti-Cersei, a Queen to be loved, not feared. And it makes me nervous in the show here she says stuff like "I learned so much from her".

You're far more familiar with the books than I am, so I'll concede the Sansa points but I don't remember getting that impression from the book.

There are passages in either ACOK or ASOS where there's talk of fear vs love. At one point Cersei makes the case for power coming from your subjects fearing you, and Sansa is just nodding her to death but in her inner monologue thinks something like "No, when I'm Queen I'll make them love me." Every time I've read it it just seems to be dripping with foreshadowing of Sansa as a powerful anti-Cersei queen.

Yeah, that's interesting. I never read it that way. At the time that read more sad to me, more like vanity and naïveté to me.

I'm not saying it's a strong sense of determination to be loved on Sansa's part, it's just a cue from the author to the reader. At least that's how I've always read it.

That's an interesting interpretation, is all I'm saying. And not one I'd considered.

[Norah]

I guess this is also one of those instances with Cersei where I just prefer the arc the book had for her. At no point in the novels is Cersei ever a sympathetic character. She leans that way at times in the show and it infuriates me. So combining those two things just gets to me. But like I said, this is really just a narrative preference for me.

And this is one of the tremendous strengths of the show in general and Lena especially.

I'll be honest and admit my complaints with Sansa are simply that I like the book better. There are some passages from her time in King's landing where she's set up to be more of an anti-Cersei, a Queen to be loved, not feared. And it makes me nervous in the show here she says stuff like "I learned so much from her".

You're far more familiar with the books than I am, so I'll concede the Sansa points but I don't remember getting that impression from the book.

There are passages in either ACOK or ASOS where there's talk of fear vs love. At one point Cersei makes the case for power coming from your subjects fearing you, and Sansa is just nodding her to death but in her inner monologue thinks something like "No, when I'm Queen I'll make them love me." Every time I've read it it just seems to be dripping with foreshadowing of Sansa as a powerful anti-Cersei queen.

Yeah, that's interesting. I never read it that way. At the time that read more sad to me, more like vanity and naïveté to me.

I'm not saying it's a strong sense of determination to be loved on Sansa's part, it's just a cue from the author to the reader. At least that's how I've always read it.

That's an interesting interpretation, is all I'm saying. And not one I'd considered.

I like talking about this stuff with you because we can come at it from different angles without arguing.

[Norah]

Skitch on the other hand...

[epilogue]

I guess this is also one of those instances with Cersei where I just prefer the arc the book had for her. At no point in the novels is Cersei ever a sympathetic character. She leans that way at times in the show and it infuriates me. So combining those two things just gets to me. But like I said, this is really just a narrative preference for me.

And this is one of the tremendous strengths of the show in general and Lena especially.

I'll be honest and admit my complaints with Sansa are simply that I like the book better. There are some passages from her time in King's landing where she's set up to be more of an anti-Cersei, a Queen to be loved, not feared. And it makes me nervous in the show here she says stuff like "I learned so much from her".

You're far more familiar with the books than I am, so I'll concede the Sansa points but I don't remember getting that impression from the book.

There are passages in either ACOK or ASOS where there's talk of fear vs love. At one point Cersei makes the case for power coming from your subjects fearing you, and Sansa is just nodding her to death but in her inner monologue thinks something like "No, when I'm Queen I'll make them love me." Every time I've read it it just seems to be dripping with foreshadowing of Sansa as a powerful anti-Cersei queen.

Yeah, that's interesting. I never read it that way. At the time that read more sad to me, more like vanity and naïveté to me.

I'm not saying it's a strong sense of determination to be loved on Sansa's part, it's just a cue from the author to the reader. At least that's how I've always read it.

That's an interesting interpretation, is all I'm saying. And not one I'd considered.

I like talking about this stuff with you because we can come at it from different angles without arguing.

We're lovers, not fighters.

[Norah]

I guess this is also one of those instances with Cersei where I just prefer the arc the book had for her. At no point in the novels is Cersei ever a sympathetic character. She leans that way at times in the show and it infuriates me. So combining those two things just gets to me. But like I said, this is really just a narrative preference for me.

And this is one of the tremendous strengths of the show in general and Lena especially.

I'll be honest and admit my complaints with Sansa are simply that I like the book better. There are some passages from her time in King's landing where she's set up to be more of an anti-Cersei, a Queen to be loved, not feared. And it makes me nervous in the show here she says stuff like "I learned so much from her".

You're far more familiar with the books than I am, so I'll concede the Sansa points but I don't remember getting that impression from the book.

There are passages in either ACOK or ASOS where there's talk of fear vs love. At one point Cersei makes the case for power coming from your subjects fearing you, and Sansa is just nodding her to death but in her inner monologue thinks something like "No, when I'm Queen I'll make them love me." Every time I've read it it just seems to be dripping with foreshadowing of Sansa as a powerful anti-Cersei queen.

Yeah, that's interesting. I never read it that way. At the time that read more sad to me, more like vanity and naïveté to me.

I'm not saying it's a strong sense of determination to be loved on Sansa's part, it's just a cue from the author to the reader. At least that's how I've always read it.

That's an interesting interpretation, is all I'm saying. And not one I'd considered.

I like talking about this stuff with you because we can come at it from different angles without arguing.

We're lovers, not fighters.

don't stop i'm almost there

[epilogue]

Of the remaining players, Pete, do you have a preference -- a strong preference, I should say -- for who you want to end up on the Iron Throne?

[Norah]

I was going to say Dany, but since you stipulated the preference has to be strong I'd probably just say no.