Red Mosquito

@SkitchP wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:I guess this is also one of those instances with Cersei where I just prefer the arc the book had for her. At no point in the novels is Cersei ever a sympathetic character. She leans that way at times in the show and it infuriates me. So combining those two things just gets to me. But like I said, this is really just a narrative preference for me.

And this is one of the tremendous strengths of the show in general and Lena especially.

cutuphalfdead wrote:I'll be honest and admit my complaints with Sansa are simply that I like the book better. There are some passages from her time in King's landing where she's set up to be more of an anti-Cersei, a Queen to be loved, not feared. And it makes me nervous in the show here she says stuff like "I learned so much from her".

You're far more familiar with the books than I am, so I'll concede the Sansa points but I don't remember getting that impression from the book.

There are passages in either ACOK or ASOS where there's talk of fear vs love. At one point Cersei makes the case for power coming from your subjects fearing you, and Sansa is just nodding her to death but in her inner monologue thinks something like "No, when I'm Queen I'll make them love me." Every time I've read it it just seems to be dripping with foreshadowing of Sansa as a powerful anti-Cersei queen.

Which is...

A.) entirely still possible
B.) may not at all be how the books end

Chris_H_2 wrote:also, for me, using someone like that in such a sway kind of blurs the lines between the real world and this as an escape, fantasy world. as chud mentioned before, they used sigur ros at the purple wedding. but not a lot of people know who sigur ros or what they look like. and in any event, they were just a backdrop. same with that drummer from that stupid band coldplay. but this was entirely different.

by the way, it may not sound like it, but i really did get over it pretty quickly.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

ABNorman wrote:When I heard the singing, I thought "hmm, that sounds a bit modern"

The song is directly lifted from the books. Symion Silvertongue wrote it about Tyrion's secret lover (Shae) and Tyrion

Spoiler: show

has him gruesomely murdered for it.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:I guess this is also one of those instances with Cersei where I just prefer the arc the book had for her. At no point in the novels is Cersei ever a sympathetic character. She leans that way at times in the show and it infuriates me. So combining those two things just gets to me. But like I said, this is really just a narrative preference for me.

And this is one of the tremendous strengths of the show in general and Lena especially.

cutuphalfdead wrote:I'll be honest and admit my complaints with Sansa are simply that I like the book better. There are some passages from her time in King's landing where she's set up to be more of an anti-Cersei, a Queen to be loved, not feared. And it makes me nervous in the show here she says stuff like "I learned so much from her".

You're far more familiar with the books than I am, so I'll concede the Sansa points but I don't remember getting that impression from the book.

There are passages in either ACOK or ASOS where there's talk of fear vs love. At one point Cersei makes the case for power coming from your subjects fearing you, and Sansa is just nodding her to death but in her inner monologue thinks something like "No, when I'm Queen I'll make them love me." Every time I've read it it just seems to be dripping with foreshadowing of Sansa as a powerful anti-Cersei queen.

Which is...

A.) entirely still possible
B.) may not at all be how the books end

You're right. If only the author had a track record of foreshadowing we could base our estimations on.

@SkitchP wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT ED SHEERAN

I love you so much.

It's really the most ridiculous thing to get upset over. A guy you don't like is on a show you like for 4 minutes and has 3 lines!!! 4

And why even dislike Ed Sheeran? I dont like his music much be he seems like a fun dude.

Chris_H_2 wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT ED SHEERAN

I love you so much.

It's really the most ridiculous thing to get upset over. A guy you don't like is on a show you like for 4 minutes and has 3 lines!!! 4

And why even dislike Ed Sheeran? I dont like his music much be he seems like a fun dude.

this post is dripping with irony

kreng wrote:Who the fuck cares. If it was some random dude and he had gotten the same amount of screen time no one would have given a shit. It wasn't distracting whatsoever, people only make it so to bitch an complain about something. He didn't promote anything, he doesn't need the exposure, and he didn't ruin anything. Was the scene great? maybe not, but it had nothing to do with the fact that there happened to be a famous pop singer in it. So fucking petty.

Chris_H_2 wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT ED SHEERAN

https://www.livenation.com/events/65517 ... ed-sheeran

@SkitchP wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT ED SHEERAN

I love you so much.

It's really the most ridiculous thing to get upset over. A guy you don't like is on a show you like for 4 minutes and has 3 lines!!! 4

And why even dislike Ed Sheeran? I dont like his music much be he seems like a fun dude.

this post is dripping with irony

Not really. It seems like a really dumb thing for people to be upset about.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:I guess this is also one of those instances with Cersei where I just prefer the arc the book had for her. At no point in the novels is Cersei ever a sympathetic character. She leans that way at times in the show and it infuriates me. So combining those two things just gets to me. But like I said, this is really just a narrative preference for me.

And this is one of the tremendous strengths of the show in general and Lena especially.

cutuphalfdead wrote:I'll be honest and admit my complaints with Sansa are simply that I like the book better. There are some passages from her time in King's landing where she's set up to be more of an anti-Cersei, a Queen to be loved, not feared. And it makes me nervous in the show here she says stuff like "I learned so much from her".

You're far more familiar with the books than I am, so I'll concede the Sansa points but I don't remember getting that impression from the book.

There are passages in either ACOK or ASOS where there's talk of fear vs love. At one point Cersei makes the case for power coming from your subjects fearing you, and Sansa is just nodding her to death but in her inner monologue thinks something like "No, when I'm Queen I'll make them love me." Every time I've read it it just seems to be dripping with foreshadowing of Sansa as a powerful anti-Cersei queen.

Chris_H_2 wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT ED SHEERAN

I love you so much.

It's really the most ridiculous thing to get upset over. A guy you don't like is on a show you like for 4 minutes and has 3 lines!!! 4

And why even dislike Ed Sheeran? I dont like his music much be he seems like a fun dude.

this post is dripping with irony

Not really. It seems like a really dumb thing for people to be upset about.

sure. but it certainly seems like some are a little bit more apoplectic than the actual people that may be upset about ed sheeran.

as i said, i got over it pretty quickly. but i can also understand how people could've been put off.

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:I guess this is also one of those instances with Cersei where I just prefer the arc the book had for her. At no point in the novels is Cersei ever a sympathetic character. She leans that way at times in the show and it infuriates me. So combining those two things just gets to me. But like I said, this is really just a narrative preference for me.

And this is one of the tremendous strengths of the show in general and Lena especially.

cutuphalfdead wrote:I'll be honest and admit my complaints with Sansa are simply that I like the book better. There are some passages from her time in King's landing where she's set up to be more of an anti-Cersei, a Queen to be loved, not feared. And it makes me nervous in the show here she says stuff like "I learned so much from her".

You're far more familiar with the books than I am, so I'll concede the Sansa points but I don't remember getting that impression from the book.

There are passages in either ACOK or ASOS where there's talk of fear vs love. At one point Cersei makes the case for power coming from your subjects fearing you, and Sansa is just nodding her to death but in her inner monologue thinks something like "No, when I'm Queen I'll make them love me." Every time I've read it it just seems to be dripping with foreshadowing of Sansa as a powerful anti-Cersei queen.

Yeah, that's interesting. I never read it that way. At the time that read more sad to me, more like vanity and naïveté to me.

@SkitchP wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT ED SHEERAN

I love you so much.

It's really the most ridiculous thing to get upset over. A guy you don't like is on a show you like for 4 minutes and has 3 lines!!! 4

And why even dislike Ed Sheeran? I dont like his music much be he seems like a fun dude.

this post is dripping with irony

Not really. It seems like a really dumb thing for people to be upset about.

sure. but it certainly seems like some are a little bit more apoplectic than the actual people that may be upset about ed sheeran.

as i said, i got over it pretty quickly. but i can also understand how people could've been put off.

He was getting so much hate he deactivated his twitter.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:I guess this is also one of those instances with Cersei where I just prefer the arc the book had for her. At no point in the novels is Cersei ever a sympathetic character. She leans that way at times in the show and it infuriates me. So combining those two things just gets to me. But like I said, this is really just a narrative preference for me.

And this is one of the tremendous strengths of the show in general and Lena especially.

cutuphalfdead wrote:I'll be honest and admit my complaints with Sansa are simply that I like the book better. There are some passages from her time in King's landing where she's set up to be more of an anti-Cersei, a Queen to be loved, not feared. And it makes me nervous in the show here she says stuff like "I learned so much from her".

You're far more familiar with the books than I am, so I'll concede the Sansa points but I don't remember getting that impression from the book.

There are passages in either ACOK or ASOS where there's talk of fear vs love. At one point Cersei makes the case for power coming from your subjects fearing you, and Sansa is just nodding her to death but in her inner monologue thinks something like "No, when I'm Queen I'll make them love me." Every time I've read it it just seems to be dripping with foreshadowing of Sansa as a powerful anti-Cersei queen.

Yeah, that's interesting. I never read it that way. At the time that read more sad to me, more like vanity and naïveté to me.

I'm not saying it's a strong sense of determination to be loved on Sansa's part, it's just a cue from the author to the reader. At least that's how I've always read it.

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:I guess this is also one of those instances with Cersei where I just prefer the arc the book had for her. At no point in the novels is Cersei ever a sympathetic character. She leans that way at times in the show and it infuriates me. So combining those two things just gets to me. But like I said, this is really just a narrative preference for me.

And this is one of the tremendous strengths of the show in general and Lena especially.

cutuphalfdead wrote:I'll be honest and admit my complaints with Sansa are simply that I like the book better. There are some passages from her time in King's landing where she's set up to be more of an anti-Cersei, a Queen to be loved, not feared. And it makes me nervous in the show here she says stuff like "I learned so much from her".

You're far more familiar with the books than I am, so I'll concede the Sansa points but I don't remember getting that impression from the book.

There are passages in either ACOK or ASOS where there's talk of fear vs love. At one point Cersei makes the case for power coming from your subjects fearing you, and Sansa is just nodding her to death but in her inner monologue thinks something like "No, when I'm Queen I'll make them love me." Every time I've read it it just seems to be dripping with foreshadowing of Sansa as a powerful anti-Cersei queen.

Yeah, that's interesting. I never read it that way. At the time that read more sad to me, more like vanity and naïveté to me.

I'm not saying it's a strong sense of determination to be loved on Sansa's part, it's just a cue from the author to the reader. At least that's how I've always read it.

That's an interesting interpretation, is all I'm saying. And not one I'd considered.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:I guess this is also one of those instances with Cersei where I just prefer the arc the book had for her. At no point in the novels is Cersei ever a sympathetic character. She leans that way at times in the show and it infuriates me. So combining those two things just gets to me. But like I said, this is really just a narrative preference for me.

And this is one of the tremendous strengths of the show in general and Lena especially.

cutuphalfdead wrote:I'll be honest and admit my complaints with Sansa are simply that I like the book better. There are some passages from her time in King's landing where she's set up to be more of an anti-Cersei, a Queen to be loved, not feared. And it makes me nervous in the show here she says stuff like "I learned so much from her".

You're far more familiar with the books than I am, so I'll concede the Sansa points but I don't remember getting that impression from the book.

There are passages in either ACOK or ASOS where there's talk of fear vs love. At one point Cersei makes the case for power coming from your subjects fearing you, and Sansa is just nodding her to death but in her inner monologue thinks something like "No, when I'm Queen I'll make them love me." Every time I've read it it just seems to be dripping with foreshadowing of Sansa as a powerful anti-Cersei queen.

Yeah, that's interesting. I never read it that way. At the time that read more sad to me, more like vanity and naïveté to me.

I'm not saying it's a strong sense of determination to be loved on Sansa's part, it's just a cue from the author to the reader. At least that's how I've always read it.

That's an interesting interpretation, is all I'm saying. And not one I'd considered.

I like talking about this stuff with you because we can come at it from different angles without arguing.

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:I guess this is also one of those instances with Cersei where I just prefer the arc the book had for her. At no point in the novels is Cersei ever a sympathetic character. She leans that way at times in the show and it infuriates me. So combining those two things just gets to me. But like I said, this is really just a narrative preference for me.

And this is one of the tremendous strengths of the show in general and Lena especially.

cutuphalfdead wrote:I'll be honest and admit my complaints with Sansa are simply that I like the book better. There are some passages from her time in King's landing where she's set up to be more of an anti-Cersei, a Queen to be loved, not feared. And it makes me nervous in the show here she says stuff like "I learned so much from her".

You're far more familiar with the books than I am, so I'll concede the Sansa points but I don't remember getting that impression from the book.

There are passages in either ACOK or ASOS where there's talk of fear vs love. At one point Cersei makes the case for power coming from your subjects fearing you, and Sansa is just nodding her to death but in her inner monologue thinks something like "No, when I'm Queen I'll make them love me." Every time I've read it it just seems to be dripping with foreshadowing of Sansa as a powerful anti-Cersei queen.

Yeah, that's interesting. I never read it that way. At the time that read more sad to me, more like vanity and naïveté to me.

I'm not saying it's a strong sense of determination to be loved on Sansa's part, it's just a cue from the author to the reader. At least that's how I've always read it.

That's an interesting interpretation, is all I'm saying. And not one I'd considered.

I like talking about this stuff with you because we can come at it from different angles without arguing.

We're lovers, not fighters.