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Anders wrote:Weird to see so many arguing for the multi billion dollar business against an employee, only because she said something im her personal life.

Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Peeps wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Peeps wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Technically that's exactly what free speech means. But what should be the consequences here?

so she said what she said. who stopped her from saying it?

I'm joking a little there, but just pointing out that free speech in its most fundamental sense is literally being able to say what you want without negative consequences.



But practically speaking, free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences? Ok, fine. I just want to know what the consequences in this particular case should be. Otherwise, saying "free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" is just hot air.

edit: Should the consequences be that she is fired and the masses should celebrate? And in doing so grant people with already immense power over you even more power?

it is not up to me to decide the consequences nor is it up to you. it is up to her employer. while she is a private citizen she is hardly a normal private citizen she has just over 725K followers. her words/thoughts carry a little more weight than the average person

i make a comment on twitter almost no one knows the company i work for


she makes a comment quite a few people know she works for the mouse

It's up to everyone to decide those consequences for themselves, you loon (and yes that includes the CEO of Disney). But look at the practical, real-world effects of this particular consequence. The consequence is that it becomes normalized that your boss (not just hers, but yours) can fire you because he didn't like something you said off the clock. Why would this be acceptable to you? What a bizarre thing to actively promote.

Seems like a far more reasonable response should be "hey, maybe lay off of twitter for a bit, we aren't quite to death camps yet" and then go about your day like a sane person.

but the CEO of Disney thinks she should be fired. The agency that represents her thinks it should drop her. Ok then. The response from the masses should be to show some shred of solidarity and self preservation and punish them for this very obvious overreaction.

And her follower count means nothing to me. You don't lose rights because you have followers in the six figures.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

All these years later, this is the "cancellation" I think of most. A 2-3 minute silent, non-disruptive protest ended up being the incident that made me, personally, realize that some people in my real, personal life are actually f'n nuts. Not "nuts" like we all accuse some people of being, but actually "screws loose" nuts.

the blowback from cancel culture is going to be one helluva season.

Anders wrote:Weird to see so many arguing for the multi billion dollar business against an employee, only because she said something im her personal life.

It's not like anyone has said anything even approaching "yay for Disney." The most enthusiastic post in this whole thread is something like, "they should have fired her."

BurtReynolds wrote:

Peeps wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Peeps wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Technically that's exactly what free speech means. But what should be the consequences here?

so she said what she said. who stopped her from saying it?

I'm joking a little there, but just pointing out that free speech in its most fundamental sense is literally being able to say what you want without negative consequences.



But practically speaking, free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences? Ok, fine. I just want to know what the consequences in this particular case should be. Otherwise, saying "free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" is just hot air.

edit: Should the consequences be that she is fired and the masses should celebrate? And in doing so grant people with already immense power over you even more power?

it is not up to me to decide the consequences nor is it up to you. it is up to her employer. while she is a private citizen she is hardly a normal private citizen she has just over 725K followers. her words/thoughts carry a little more weight than the average person

i make a comment on twitter almost no one knows the company i work for


she makes a comment quite a few people know she works for the mouse

It's up to everyone to decide those consequences for themselves, you loon (and yes that includes the CEO of Disney). But look at the practical, real-world effects of this particular consequence. The consequence is that it becomes normalized that your boss (not just hers, but yours) can fire you because he didn't like something you said off the clock. Why would this be acceptable to you? What a bizarre thing to actively promote.

Seems like a far more reasonable response should be "hey, maybe lay off of twitter for a bit, we aren't quite to death camps yet" and then go about your day like a sane person.

but the CEO of Disney thinks she should be fired. The agency that represents her thinks it should drop her. Ok then. The response from the masses should be to show some shred of solidarity and self preservation and punish them for this very obvious overreaction.

And her follower count means nothing to me. You don't lose rights because you have followers in the six figures.

i agree with this. People in the web celebrating her being fired is awful.

Heh, that led me to this.

I’m not even sure what it is you’re arguing Burt. Free speech?
Ironically, if she’d tweeted that in Germany she’d be in prison quick time. Not just yesterday’s one but her previous anti trans tweets.
They take hate speech really seriously and online.
As I said, ironic.

Twitter and Facebook are also stepping up crackdowns on covid conspiracy and anti vaccine and anti mask posts.
Being a bigot and whipping up her base against trans people, and the covid denial of it all
is putting peoples lives in real danger and her ‘free speech’ rights doesn’t trump that.

Disney didn’t fire her. Lucasfilm did. Apparently all they said was she no longer working on Star Wars. Everything else is just people layering it on. Including Favreau going to bat for her with Lucasfilm last year, so she’s let him down most of all apart from herself.
Her Agent has also dumped her it seems so it looks like she’s had plenty of advice and chances to quit this and didn’t. So here are the consequences of her own actions.

Her family own one of the biggest casino groups in the world and she’s an heiress it seems? I doubt she’ll be much affected by any of this. It’s probably that insulation from reality and consequences that has her thinking she can say stuff like this with no repercussions.


She can’t act worth a fuck anyways. Timothy Olyphant made more of an impression on one episode than she made in her episodes total. Fuck, even frog lady did. And was more likeable.
Good riddance.

B wrote:Heh, that led me to this.

Isn’t it crazy?
That’s the ones we always talk about. An entire industry making bank on Star Wars shit posting on twitter with links to their full video on their YouTube. Click Like and subscribe so you don’t miss any of our amazing content.

** now it’s emerged she’s been appearing on all the fandom menace podcasts and YouTube channels (The guys in the tweet B posted) for Two months now (the ones that KMT and daisy off socials and yes still complain about Star Wars on twitter all day as it’s their revenue.
She was also Speaking and posting about the election being stolen and supported the riot at the capitol.

This too
“'They have been looking for a reason to fire her for two months, and today was the final straw,' a source with knowledge of Lucasfilm’s thinking tells THR."

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/ ... ium=social

BurtReynolds wrote:

Peeps wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Technically that's exactly what free speech means. But what should be the consequences here?

so she said what she said. who stopped her from saying it?

I'm joking a little there, but just pointing out that free speech in its most fundamental sense is literally being able to say what you want without negative consequences.



But practically speaking, free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences? Ok, fine. I just want to know what the consequences in this particular case should be. Otherwise, saying "free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" is just hot air.

edit: Should the consequences be that she is fired and the masses should celebrate? And in doing so grant people with already immense power over you even more power?

Free speech hasn’t been at its most fundamental sense for a long time. Living documents and such.

jesus im so tired of carano already lets go back to Rian fucking up Luke's ending.

People are losing sight of the fact that she was a horrendous, awkward, self-conscious actor that broke the spell of every scene she was in, *in addition* to being a lousy bigot.

FUCKING A YOU GUYS. BURY THIS GOD FORSAKEN THREAD IN STAR WARS.

BurtReynolds wrote:

Peeps wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Peeps wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Technically that's exactly what free speech means. But what should be the consequences here?

so she said what she said. who stopped her from saying it?

I'm joking a little there, but just pointing out that free speech in its most fundamental sense is literally being able to say what you want without negative consequences.



But practically speaking, free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences? Ok, fine. I just want to know what the consequences in this particular case should be. Otherwise, saying "free speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" is just hot air.

edit: Should the consequences be that she is fired and the masses should celebrate? And in doing so grant people with already immense power over you even more power?

it is not up to me to decide the consequences nor is it up to you. it is up to her employer. while she is a private citizen she is hardly a normal private citizen she has just over 725K followers. her words/thoughts carry a little more weight than the average person

i make a comment on twitter almost no one knows the company i work for


she makes a comment quite a few people know she works for the mouse

It's up to everyone to decide those consequences for themselves, you loon (and yes that includes the CEO of Disney). But look at the practical, real-world effects of this particular consequence. The consequence is that it becomes normalized that your boss (not just hers, but yours) can fire you because he didn't like something you said off the clock. Why would this be acceptable to you? What a bizarre thing to actively promote.

Seems like a far more reasonable response should be "hey, maybe lay off of twitter for a bit, we aren't quite to death camps yet" and then go about your day like a sane person.

but the CEO of Disney thinks she should be fired. The agency that represents her thinks it should drop her. Ok then. The response from the masses should be to show some shred of solidarity and self preservation and punish them for this very obvious overreaction.

And her follower count means nothing to me. You don't lose rights because you have followers in the six figures.

You calling someone a loon?

My guess is she had a contract. Most contracts have a clause about how you represent the brand/company. Break the clause and they have a right to term you

Peeps wrote:My guess is she had a contract. Most contracts have a clause about how you represent the brand/company. Break the clause and they have a right to term you

There are definitely workplace rights issues here, in terms of the reasonable limits around actions by employers against employees, who in the overwhelming majority of circumstances where such matters arise are people who don’t have the fame, money and other resources of a Hollywood actor.

Are you comfortable with the idea of being sacked for indiscreet comments on social media, should the wind blow in that particular way one day?

(Apologies if this has already been done to death, but I’m not reading this whole thread about some show I’ve never watched/actor I’ve never heard of/offending posts I haven’t read.)

Bammer wrote:FUCKING A YOU GUYS. BURY THIS GOD FORSAKEN THREAD IN STAR WARS.

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