Red Mosquito

I feel so bad for Romo.

4/5 wrote:I feel so bad for Romo.

the bucs will take him

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

4/5 wrote:I feel so bad for Romo.

the bucs will take him

This sounds so similar to this tweet that I read yesterday:

I'd take Romo in a heartbeat in Tampa.

Green Habit wrote:

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

4/5 wrote:I feel so bad for Romo.

the bucs will take him

This sounds so similar to this tweet that I read yesterday:

exactly

Mecca wrote:Hey, manning threw an interception, too.

yes he did, but not a game losing one

Romo is a top 5, top 6 at worst QB. And he has been for a couple years. I don't care what anybody says.

4/5 wrote:Romo is a top 5, top 6 at worst QB. And he has been for a couple years. I don't care what anybody says.

Id say he is top 10 for the cowboys and top 3 for defenses

If anyone is interested, freeman signed with the vikings last night for 1 year and around 3 million

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:If anyone is interested, freeman signed with the vikings last night for 1 year and around 3 million

Now they have 3 versions of the same QB.

4/5 wrote:Romo is a top 5, top 6 at worst QB. And he has been for a couple years. I don't care what anybody says.

Top 5 is reserved for winners. He has chops for sure but hasn't proven much beyond that.

I'd rank Romo around ten to fifteen. He won't win you any super bowls.

BurtReynolds wrote:I'd rank Romo around ten to fifteen. He won't win you any super bowls.

That might be true, but he didn't give up 50 points yesterday, he might have thrown one bad pick, but it would have mattered if the d had made Denver punt a few times

BurtReynolds wrote:I'd rank Romo around ten to fifteen. He won't win you any super bowls.

Trent Dilfer.
Brad Johnson.
Joe Flacco.
Eli Manning.
Ben Roethlisberger.
These are guys who won Super Bowls since 2000. I would take Romo over all of them, the first three by a mile.

Jake Delhomme lost by three points. Steve McNair lost by a yard. Kerry Collins got in the building. Donovan McNabb was there. Rex Grossman even somehow got there. Rich Gannon, who admittedly was really good for a couple years. If you can get to the Super Bowl then you had a chance to win one. Romo is better than all these guys.

If we went back further the list gets uglier.

"Ability to win a Super Bowl" is a mythical quality. Teams win Super Bowls. Great QBs obviously help tremendously, and some QBs are definitely more likely to win than others, but man does the idea that such-and-such good to great QB (even if you think Romo is a choker and hate advanced metrics that show otherwise, you'd have to at least grant that he is good, no?) doesn't have the ability to win a Super Bowl burn me up.

4/5 wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:I'd rank Romo around ten to fifteen. He won't win you any super bowls.

Trent Dilfer.
Brad Johnson.
Joe Flacco.
Eli Manning.
Ben Roethlisberger.
These are guys who won Super Bowls since 2000. I would take Romo over all of them, the first three by a mile.

Jake Delhomme lost by three points. Steve McNair lost by a yard. Kerry Collins got in the building. Donovan McNabb was there. Rex Grossman even somehow got there. Rich Gannon, who admittedly was really good for a couple years. If you can get to the Super Bowl then you had a chance to win one. Romo is better than all these guys.

If we went back further the list gets uglier.

"Ability to win a Super Bowl" is a mythical quality. Teams win Super Bowls. Great QBs obviously help tremendously, and some QBs are definitely more likely to win than others, but man does the idea that such-and-such good to great QB (even if you think Romo is a choker and hate advanced metrics that show otherwise, you'd have to at least grant that he is good, no?) doesn't have the ability to win a Super Bowl burn me up.

i think when people say "ability to win a super bowl" they mean "ability under pressure". is there a metric for game ending drives? 4th quarter stats might show you something too. i think thats what separates romo from people like big ben or eli. when the pressure is greatest, romo usually throws a pic, or drops a snap, or does something equally as dumb. even flacco has shown it a little bit.

I don't know. I kind of feel like there is Manning, Brady as best in the league and then your big playmakers like Brees, Rodgers and then a lot of good to very good.

Romo is a Farve style playmaker, but their defense really isn't good enough and Farve also blew it when the game was on the line with a bad interception because his confidence to get a ball into a spot overtook any mental checks against it. What makes them great is what makes them fail.

If you're talking about really depending on a guy to make a play you need to win a game. I only fully trust those 4 guys right now implicitly.


There are a lot of really good QB's in the next maybe 10 slots but I think their position could change week to week year to year, I'm not sure anyone really belongs with those 4 but them.

warehouse wrote:

4/5 wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:I'd rank Romo around ten to fifteen. He won't win you any super bowls.

Trent Dilfer.
Brad Johnson.
Joe Flacco.
Eli Manning.
Ben Roethlisberger.
These are guys who won Super Bowls since 2000. I would take Romo over all of them, the first three by a mile.

Jake Delhomme lost by three points. Steve McNair lost by a yard. Kerry Collins got in the building. Donovan McNabb was there. Rex Grossman even somehow got there. Rich Gannon, who admittedly was really good for a couple years. If you can get to the Super Bowl then you had a chance to win one. Romo is better than all these guys.

If we went back further the list gets uglier.

"Ability to win a Super Bowl" is a mythical quality. Teams win Super Bowls. Great QBs obviously help tremendously, and some QBs are definitely more likely to win than others, but man does the idea that such-and-such good to great QB (even if you think Romo is a choker and hate advanced metrics that show otherwise, you'd have to at least grant that he is good, no?) doesn't have the ability to win a Super Bowl burn me up.

i think when people say "ability to win a super bowl" they mean "ability under pressure". is there a metric for game ending drives? 4th quarter stats might show you something too. i think thats what separates romo from people like big ben or eli. when the pressure is greatest, romo usually throws a pic, or drops a snap, or does something equally as dumb. even flacco has shown it a little bit.

Romo was the top rated QB in the 4th quarter last year, and had the second most game winning drives in The League.

Electromatic wrote:I don't know. I kind of feel like there is Manning, Brady as best in the league and then your big playmakers like Brees, Rodgers and then a lot of good to very good.

Romo is a Farve style playmaker, but their defense really isn't good enough and Farve also blew it when the game was on the line with a bad interception because his confidence to get a ball into a spot overtook any mental checks against it. What makes them great is what makes them fail.

If you're talking about really depending on a guy to make a play you need to win a game. I only fully trust those 4 guys right now implicitly.


There are a lot of really good QB's in the next maybe 10 slots but I think their position could change week to week year to year, I'm not sure anyone really belongs with those 4 but them.

That's fine, and why I put Romo at 5. I think he's the best of the non-great QBs. I also think that you could win a Super Bowl with him. Everybody has an opinion and all that, obviously, I just happen to think that there are probably 15 QBs as good or better than Flacco, so by default I also believe that those guys each could win a Super Bowl in the right situation and with the breaks falling their way.

Needless to say, my list of QBs who I believe you could win a Super Bowl with is longer than my list of ones you couldn't. (among starters)

4/5 wrote:

warehouse wrote:

4/5 wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:I'd rank Romo around ten to fifteen. He won't win you any super bowls.

Trent Dilfer.
Brad Johnson.
Joe Flacco.
Eli Manning.
Ben Roethlisberger.
These are guys who won Super Bowls since 2000. I would take Romo over all of them, the first three by a mile.

Jake Delhomme lost by three points. Steve McNair lost by a yard. Kerry Collins got in the building. Donovan McNabb was there. Rex Grossman even somehow got there. Rich Gannon, who admittedly was really good for a couple years. If you can get to the Super Bowl then you had a chance to win one. Romo is better than all these guys.

If we went back further the list gets uglier.

"Ability to win a Super Bowl" is a mythical quality. Teams win Super Bowls. Great QBs obviously help tremendously, and some QBs are definitely more likely to win than others, but man does the idea that such-and-such good to great QB (even if you think Romo is a choker and hate advanced metrics that show otherwise, you'd have to at least grant that he is good, no?) doesn't have the ability to win a Super Bowl burn me up.

i think when people say "ability to win a super bowl" they mean "ability under pressure". is there a metric for game ending drives? 4th quarter stats might show you something too. i think thats what separates romo from people like big ben or eli. when the pressure is greatest, romo usually throws a pic, or drops a snap, or does something equally as dumb. even flacco has shown it a little bit.

Romo was the top rated QB in the 4th quarter last year, and had the second most game winning drives in The League.

do u know his career rating in the 4th quarter? i feel like he's been shedding the label the last couple of years w/ winning the playoffs and whatnot. yesterday just kinda reminded you who this guy is, or was.

also, that was a hell of a pick. the ball coulda been thrown maybe a foot more in front of the receiver, but the guy who made a play on the pass made an absolutely awesome play.

It really was a great play by the defender. It was definitely not the horrible screen pass pick vs Washington last year. I think that his failures have been used to reinforce the claim that he is an anti-clutch choker and that his many great 4th quarter performances have just been shrugged off.

http://www.nfl.com/player/tonyromo/2505 ... ionalstats


Hopefully the formatting doesn't get too ruined. The site won't let me do situational stats for his career, it's all by year. Here's Romo 4th quarter this year:
Att Comp Pct Yds Avg Lng TD Int 1st 1st% 20+ Sck Rate
4th Quarter 51 36 70.6 395 7.7 79 3 1 18 35.3 4 5 104.6
4th Quarter within 7 33 21 63.6 251 7.6 79 2 1 12 36.4 2 4 94.4

2012
Att Comp Pct Yds Avg Lng TD Int 1st 1st% 20+ Sck Rate
4th Quarter 187 122 65.2 1,448 7.7 41 12 4 75 40.1 16 10 101.2
4th Quarter within 7 99 64 64.6 740 7.5 39 5 2 36 36.4 8 5 95.5
Overtime 13 9 69.2 82 6.3 13 0 0 3 23.1 0 1 86.1

2011
Att Comp Pct Yds Avg Lng TD Int 1st 1st% 20+ Sck Rate
4th Quarter 148 91 61.5 1,215 8.2 74 10 2 55 37.2 18 8 104.4
4th Quarter within 7 102 62 60.8 872 8.5 74 6 2 37 36.3 14 3 99.8
Overtime 4 3 75.0 117 29.2 77 0 0 3 75.0 2 0 116.7