Red Mosquito

dprival78 wrote:

stip wrote:

McParadigm wrote:Yikes, what a bummer of a vocal. Lots of flats and goating.

I never understand why he keeps writing parts that are hard for him to reach. It's only going to get harder, dude, and it's not a crime to write to your current voice. It's kept some of your friends in business for years.

aren't you the 'what matters is the studio' take guy?

I don't know that the issue here was the part. Eddie just sounded pretty hoarse even from the beginning. I think this was tour fatigue more than the song.

Not that the broader point isn't generally valid.

i'm not sure that's it's tour fatigue.. eddie's been a bit flat on sirens since the start of the tour pretty much. he just can't get up there like he once could. i just wish he would face that fact and work around it, rather than continuing to write songs that he can't sing live. imo, this is the reason we haven't seen getaway yet.. there's no way he could sing that in the key used on the record. and that starts making me wonder how he did it in the studio..

doug rr wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:new subject: Has Pearl Jam burned its bridges with David Letterman? yes. discuss.

I was thinking the same thing the other day

LetMeSleep wrote:

McParadigm wrote:I'm the album love no show guy, yeah. But I don't necessarily agree with the "I don't care how they do it, so long as it sounds good" crowd. All that electronic "fixing" seems fine individually...adjust Ed's vocal and you can't always tell, EQ the shit out of the drums and electronically lock them to the tempo and you dont really notice, compress and scoop frequencies out of the guitars like mad and they dont sound all that different...but then you pan out and hear it all together and it's a little bit soulless all of the sudden.

You dont need to understand those acts to hear that this record has a barrier between the humanity at its core and the listener that Yield doesn't have, or that Quadrophona doesn't have, or Harvest or The River or Begger's Banquet. When you give a tiger a very large cage, you see a tiger. But a big cage limits your control over where the tiger goes, so you start adjusting and adjusting and....

Then the cage gets too small, and what you see is the cage.

This "perfection over humanity" aesthetic makes records sound like a lot of this one does...vacant, robotic, and controlled.

I wish I could buy you a beer.

harmless wrote:I agree, the problems with the vocal would've been halved by having him further down in the mix (which is probably closer to what the TV audience was hearing).

stupidmop wrote:Jesus jimmy fallon is enthusiastic about everything. I LOVE TRAINS.

Thejambi wrote:

harmless wrote:I agree, the problems with the vocal would've been halved by having him further down in the mix (which is probably closer to what the TV audience was hearing).

My second listen has cemented this. The lack of bass/guitars is just leaving the drums and vocals hanging out there.

theplatypus wrote:

stupidmop wrote:Jesus jimmy fallon is enthusiastic about everything. I LOVE TRAINS.

I dig the enthusiasm but it gets to be a little grating. He's had Elvis Costello on a few times (which resulted in the new Roots/Costello album) and the interview segments are awful 'cause he's just stammering and tripping over himself talking about how much of a fan he is. Just relax, guy.

harmless wrote:

dprival78 wrote:

stip wrote:

McParadigm wrote:Yikes, what a bummer of a vocal. Lots of flats and goating.

I never understand why he keeps writing parts that are hard for him to reach. It's only going to get harder, dude, and it's not a crime to write to your current voice. It's kept some of your friends in business for years.

aren't you the 'what matters is the studio' take guy?

I don't know that the issue here was the part. Eddie just sounded pretty hoarse even from the beginning. I think this was tour fatigue more than the song.

Not that the broader point isn't generally valid.

i'm not sure that's it's tour fatigue.. eddie's been a bit flat on sirens since the start of the tour pretty much. he just can't get up there like he once could. i just wish he would face that fact and work around it, rather than continuing to write songs that he can't sing live. imo, this is the reason we haven't seen getaway yet.. there's no way he could sing that in the key used on the record. and that starts making me wonder how he did it in the studio..

Can't it be both? I've seen live versions of Sirens on Youtube, and while they're a bit flat sometimes, none of them have been as bad as that. It wasn't just that he couldn't reach the notes, his voice was cracking and it sounded hoarse. That comes from having used it too heavily.

Release_Me wrote:For the last time, Sirens isn't a difficult vocal for Ed at all. It's all in his comfort zone. There really is no 'high' part in the song. It's all in his comfort zone and even the highest parts are upper fourth octave, just belted out. He just couldn't belt in this performance. His voice was shot and it has nothing to do with the song's difficulty. It's probably the easiest song for him to sing from tracks 1-8 on the new album. If he struggles with Sirens, he'll struggle with just about everything.

The youtube performances of Sirens from the tour have all been ok if not perfect. Minor issues which happen in a live setting. This one shows him clearly struggling. Could have been sick. Could have been tour fatigue. A bad night happens once in a while.

hlniv wrote:This has probably already been covered, but shouldn't we know what they're playing on the show tonight already? They recorded it yesterday, right? Do we already know it's Lightning Bolt for that reason, or is it just a guess?

Spoiler: show

Betterman

Thejambi wrote:

hlniv wrote:This has probably already been covered, but shouldn't we know what they're playing on the show tonight already? They recorded it yesterday, right? Do we already know it's Lightning Bolt for that reason, or is it just a guess?

Heard they aren't recording it until today.

Spoiler: show

Betterman

Spoiler: show

(live)?