The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

[BurtReynolds]

Twitter doesn't really have a lot of money

yeah, not twitter. The other ones are doing pretty well though.

[BurtReynolds]

probably posted already. but its new to me

https://www.thenation.com/article/why-d ... they-dont/

Why do white working-class people vote against their interests? They don’t. Corporate Democrats have never advanced their interests—and at least Republicans offer a basic, if misleading, story about why they are getting screwed. When I first started organizing in Youngstown, Ohio, many people told me I must read Sean Safford’s Why the Garden Club Couldn’t Save Youngstown, which argues that Youngstown collapsed as a result of a lack of social networks. It is an absurd explanation for what happened to the city—but embraced by many thoughtful progressive leaders there. In fact, Youngstown has been left hobbled because progressives failed to secure economic power.

 Two narratives emerged about the collapse of the industrial heartland in America. The one from the far right has three parts: First, that industry left this country because unions destroyed productivity and made labor costs too high, thereby making us uncompetitive. Second, corporations were the victims of over-regulation and a bloated government that overtaxed them to pay for socialist welfare systems. Third, illegal immigration has resulted in the stealing of American jobs, increased competition for white workers, and depressed wages. Together these three factors led to the collapse of manufacturing in America. This, sadly, is a story that many Americans believe. The second narrative, promoted by corporate Democrats, is that the global economy shifted and the country is now in transition from an industrial to a knowledge-based economy. This story tacitly accepts the economic restructuring of the heartland as inevitable once China and other markets opened up.

[Bi_3]

Interesting how that guy had it mostly correct then went right back to baseline Marxist bullshit. I'm pretty sure that whole 'the people could have made the steel mill work' bit is straight out of Atlas Shrugged.


Try this one:

http://www.newyorker.com/business/curre ... thy-vacuum

[Orpheus]

One of the greatest lies Americans believe is that illegals "steal" jobs. Jobs are only given, often by the people promoting the idea that the good ole boys are being screwed. There are assuredly hundreds of illegals working in Trump's businesses right now.

[simple schoolboy]

One of the greatest lies Americans believe is that illegals "steal" jobs. Jobs are only given, often by the people promoting the idea that the good ole boys are being screwed. There are assuredly hundreds of illegals working in Trump's businesses right now.

I don't know about stealing jobs, but how could they do anything other than drive down the price for labor for entry level jobs? I work in a fairly tight labor market, and those that are native English speakers that work at a lower pay grade than me are fairly rare. Oh, and that tight labor market also corresponds to an insane housing market. There seems to be an implied suggestion that the native born should be willing to deal with deprivations unknown to their parents to compete in the labor market. Is it any wonder why they complain? Those that ask them to take up this sacrifice do not ask it of themselves, either.

[jwfocker]

Wouldn't a shrinking labor market with jobs getting taken by illegal immigrants drive down the housing market?

I don't know of many entry level jobs that people can get when they have difficulty speaking the 1st language, without connections, and without a high school diploma/college level education.

[tragabigzanda]

Wouldn't a shrinking labor market with jobs getting taken by illegal immigrants drive down the housing market?

I don't know of many entry level jobs that people can get when they have difficulty speaking the 1st language, without connections, and without a high school diploma/college level education.

There's a book that speaks to this that came out a few years ago called The Great Divergence. I didn't finish it, but the basic premise was that the expensive markets will be occupied by the executives, while the labor force will slowly move to the established 'burbs and commute in for work every day. See NYC and NJ/CT for an example.

[Simple Torture]

Before most of us were awake this morning, the next President was on Twitter musing about how people should be jailed or lose their citizenship for practicing their First Amendment rights:

[Simple Torture]

[McParadigm]

One of the greatest lies Americans believe is that illegals "steal" jobs. Jobs are only given, often by the people promoting the idea that the good ole boys are being screwed. There are assuredly hundreds of illegals working in Trump's businesses right now.

The real problem here is that the actual story is incredibly simple. It requires very little analysis, but offers no solution.

Manufacturing jobs are going away, and they won't come back because manufacturing jobs aren't needed.

[McParadigm]

[tragabigzanda]

One of the greatest lies Americans believe is that illegals "steal" jobs. Jobs are only given, often by the people promoting the idea that the good ole boys are being screwed. There are assuredly hundreds of illegals working in Trump's businesses right now.

The real problem here is that the actual story is incredibly simple. It requires very little analysis, but offers no solution.

Manufacturing jobs are going away, and they won't come back because manufacturing jobs aren't needed.

The service industry is the new manufacturing sector

[McParadigm]

Sure, but you'll never build a middle class off of service industry jobs.

[E.H. Ruddock]

He's just trolling us now, right? Right?

[McParadigm]

He's just trolling us now, right? Right?

[Strat]

How fucking ridiculous is it that donald trump condemned Fidel Castro and then not a few days later says people should face jail time or revoked citizenship for exercising their constitutional amendment?

[Superblood Wolfmoon]

How fucking ridiculous is it that donald trump condemned Fidel Castro and then not a few days later says people should face jail time or revoked citizenship for exercising their constitutional amendment?

YOU GOT TRUMPED BITCH

[tragabigzanda]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/28/us/ha ... .html?_r=0

Great to see my alma matar getting some press for this. I love this college.

[Bi_3]

Wouldn't a shrinking labor market with jobs getting taken by illegal immigrants drive down the housing market?

I don't know of many entry level jobs that people can get when they have difficulty speaking the 1st language, without connections, and without a high school diploma/college level education.

There's a book that speaks to this that came out a few years ago called The Great Divergence. I didn't finish it, but the basic premise was that the expensive markets will be occupied by the executives, while the labor force will slowly move to the established 'burbs and commute in for work every day. See NYC and NJ/CT for an example.

This. When jobs are concentrated in particular areas, like coastal cities, it drives the cost up.

"If this huge influx of mostly low-skill workers provides some benefits to the economy as a whole — especially by keeping our workforce young, in contrast to an increasingly geriatric Europe and Japan — it also threatens to depress further the wages of blue-collar Americans and put strains on an already overburdened safety net"

[E.H. Ruddock]

Didn't Hillary sponsor a bill back in 2006 that would have criminalized flag burning?