Red Mosquito

Anders wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Anders wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:GRRM really shouldnt have cut off his nose. He was ugly enough.

I never read him as actually ugly. It is more that others see him as ugly, a bit like Tyrion in the show.

Well if people see you as ugly, you ugly.

I just think on Westeros they would see all dwarfs as ugly, no matter how they looked or what they did. It's a highly prejudiced society. Tyrion only makes it so far because his family didn't kill him when he was born (which would be normal), and because he is of the very highest nobility. Of course even his closest family teases him and sets him up to be a fool, and partly hates him for his mother dying when giving birth to him. So he has a hard time in a lot of ways.

Anders wrote:

stip wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:Fuck Tyrion. The fact that people like and sympathize with him (I could say this about Cersei to an extent too) is a failure of the show.

Well that's completely insane. He's one of the most beloved characters in the books, Pete. Way before the show, when I started reading the series, everyone was talking about how great Tyrion is and how he's the best character in the series.

I get that. I think we're talking about different things. People can like him as a character, but he's much more of a villain in the books than the show and that's what I'm driving at. In the show you're all "oh maybe he'll be a good Hand to the Queen" and in the books you're all

Spoiler: show

"oh shit he's sending a competing invading army into Westeros and making deals with sellswords".

I was pretty much rooting for him the whole time in the books, too. The deals with sellswords and the invasion of Westeros don't really read that differently in the books from what I remember.

I read the books in 07-08, and I always rooted for Tyrion. Arya, Jon and him make the story.

Daenarys is a clear cut villain though. So will be interesting to see them meet in the books.

stip wrote:I was never really rooting for Danerys in the TV show, and not much in the books either. Tyrion's inclusion really upped her stock in my eyes

Simple Torture wrote:I'm glad they didn't really beat it over our heads that the Lanister soldiers basically offered Arya guest rite. It was juuuust subtle enough that it dawned on us just as it dawned on her.

durdencommatyler wrote:

Anders wrote:

stip wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:Fuck Tyrion. The fact that people like and sympathize with him (I could say this about Cersei to an extent too) is a failure of the show.

Well that's completely insane. He's one of the most beloved characters in the books, Pete. Way before the show, when I started reading the series, everyone was talking about how great Tyrion is and how he's the best character in the series.

I get that. I think we're talking about different things. People can like him as a character, but he's much more of a villain in the books than the show and that's what I'm driving at. In the show you're all "oh maybe he'll be a good Hand to the Queen" and in the books you're all

Spoiler: show

"oh shit he's sending a competing invading army into Westeros and making deals with sellswords".

I was pretty much rooting for him the whole time in the books, too. The deals with sellswords and the invasion of Westeros don't really read that differently in the books from what I remember.

I read the books in 07-08, and I always rooted for Tyrion. Arya, Jon and him make the story.

Daenarys is a clear cut villain though. So will be interesting to see them meet in the books.

NO!

cutuphalfdead wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Anders wrote:

stip wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:Fuck Tyrion. The fact that people like and sympathize with him (I could say this about Cersei to an extent too) is a failure of the show.

Well that's completely insane. He's one of the most beloved characters in the books, Pete. Way before the show, when I started reading the series, everyone was talking about how great Tyrion is and how he's the best character in the series.

I get that. I think we're talking about different things. People can like him as a character, but he's much more of a villain in the books than the show and that's what I'm driving at. In the show you're all "oh maybe he'll be a good Hand to the Queen" and in the books you're all

Spoiler: show

"oh shit he's sending a competing invading army into Westeros and making deals with sellswords".

I was pretty much rooting for him the whole time in the books, too. The deals with sellswords and the invasion of Westeros don't really read that differently in the books from what I remember.

I read the books in 07-08, and I always rooted for Tyrion. Arya, Jon and him make the story.

Daenarys is a clear cut villain though. So will be interesting to see them meet in the books.

NO!

Yeah no wasy Daenarys is a clear cut villain. She's at least less villainous than Tyrion.

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Anders wrote:

stip wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:Fuck Tyrion. The fact that people like and sympathize with him (I could say this about Cersei to an extent too) is a failure of the show.

Well that's completely insane. He's one of the most beloved characters in the books, Pete. Way before the show, when I started reading the series, everyone was talking about how great Tyrion is and how he's the best character in the series.

I get that. I think we're talking about different things. People can like him as a character, but he's much more of a villain in the books than the show and that's what I'm driving at. In the show you're all "oh maybe he'll be a good Hand to the Queen" and in the books you're all

Spoiler: show

"oh shit he's sending a competing invading army into Westeros and making deals with sellswords".

I was pretty much rooting for him the whole time in the books, too. The deals with sellswords and the invasion of Westeros don't really read that differently in the books from what I remember.

I read the books in 07-08, and I always rooted for Tyrion. Arya, Jon and him make the story.

Daenarys is a clear cut villain though. So will be interesting to see them meet in the books.

NO!

Yeah no wasy Daenarys is a clear cut villain. She's at least less villainous than Tyrion.

Kiss me!

durdencommatyler wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:I'm glad they didn't really beat it over our heads that the Lanister soldiers basically offered Arya guest rite. It was juuuust subtle enough that it dawned on us just as it dawned on her.

So, do you personally think Arya kills the soldiers?

Simple Torture wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:I'm glad they didn't really beat it over our heads that the Lanister soldiers basically offered Arya guest rite. It was juuuust subtle enough that it dawned on us just as it dawned on her.

So, do you personally think Arya kills the soldiers?

No, just a theory I saw. Arya is going to become the Omar of Westeros.

durdencommatyler wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Simple Torture wrote:I'm glad they didn't really beat it over our heads that the Lanister soldiers basically offered Arya guest rite. It was juuuust subtle enough that it dawned on us just as it dawned on her.

So, do you personally think Arya kills the soldiers?

No, just a theory I saw. Arya is going to become the Omar of Westeros.

I don't know what that means.